Pitbulls ??Aggression, Fact or Not???

[borzoimom]

borziomom:
Sounds similiar to the case I investigated a few years ago and wrote about in a previous post except the owner didn't go to jail and the dog attacked a child that it knew, next door neighbor, so not even a stranger walking by. I agree with a lot of what you say. And it will take many years for the breeders to remedy this if it can be remedied in this (U.S.) country. My groomer even owns a Pit Bull and she cannot bring the dog onto her business property due to the insurance liability because the insurance in this state will not cover this breed in the event of injury to others. Her homeowners insurance will not cover her in case of liability if something should happen involving her pet.

Yea you cant have a pit in the city, and this is a small town. And outside in the county, you have a permit at the sheriffs office. I saw a American Staffy at a dog show, walk out of the ring after taking the breed, and jump at a cocker spaniel with all the mode of pure attack. Shocked EVERYONE including the judge that had just placed him up. He lost his breed position, and of course points. I heard the judge say " I just had my hands on the dog.." he said as you could see he was visibly shaken badly.. And this wasnt a badly bred dog etc- scary to say the least..

[Suki Wingy]

he has 110 points, so you show UKC then, right? Imagine if he was AKC as an Am Staff, they'd just about excuse him from the ring. And thanks for informing me on the genetics! I love genetics but I'm only really studdied in horse and Dalmatian genetics right now.

[dogluver4life]

he has 110 points, so you show UKC then, right? Imagine if he was AKC as an Am Staff, they'd just about excuse him from the ring. And thanks for informing me on the genetics! I love genetics but I'm only really studdied in horse and Dalmatian genetics right now.

I show both AKC and UKC, but my blue tri is only UKC reg.
I have shown black tri's AKC and major pointed them too.
But, the competition did not like it all!
I love genetics as well..Showed Paint horse for a few years, so you can imagin.
Dogs for 26+ and I have made it a point to learn as much as I can....

[borzoimom]

Well I delayed posting this, but I will. I am not looking for a reply just something for you to consider..
I have a dear friend that lives in the same county as I that was a skilled trainer. She had lots of titles in obedience, therapy dogs, showed etc. Well she got this pit puppy from a excellent show kennel ( not fighting kennel- a real breeder..) For over a year, the dog ( female spayed) excelled in anything she taught the dog. I dont care for pits, but I must admit, the dog was amazing. Calm quiet docile, and obedient. Got her CD in just the 3 trials required, quickly went to CDX..
One day, she was out in the yard working when this lady walked by with another spayed female dog. Just walking along.. No big deal.. When her dog went after the the womans dog and when the woman tried to rescue her dog from the attack, she was attacked as well.. They did a autopsy on her dog, as it was forced to be put down for the attack, found nothing in the brain to indicate a illness or nothing.
The result- my friend is in jail for the attack. She was sued by the lady that her dog attacked, and because she couldnt work- she lost her house to forclosure.. Her life is ruined at this stage, she is still in jail, and depressed and on suicide watch.
I never EVER would have thought for a second her dog was capable of this- but since then, our county has put a ban on pit bulls in the town limits and if you have one in the county it has to be registered with the police department..
I think the problem here is the denial in the club of the breeds. These breeds were bred for centeries for one reason- to attack and mame another dog. The clubs denial in trying to do something = like temperment testing and maybe even trying to breed to more docile dogs is the source. ( this is just my opinion..) but until the breed clubs ( american staffy etc) accept that there is a problem, nothing is going to be done.
Even the bull dog, meant originally to bait bulls, has made the change to a docile sweet loving dog.. The same, IN my opinion, needs to take place here as well.
This dear friend of mine, skilled trainer, proof in the pudding of training her dogs successfully.. all she has said week after week after week- was " I thought I was the one person that could handle this breed.."

While I agree we dont need the sarcasium- I think anyone needs to re read this- its true.. People need to understand- this trait can show up, out of no where and for little reason.. Please understand what you are getting into here...***** AND MAKE SURE you have insurance for liablity with the dog..***

[dogluver4life]

Everybreed has its agressive side..
Ever heard of PREY DRIVE??
Depends on how strong it is in each dog and how the owner determines whether it is a good trait or a bad trait.
In Pit Bulls, it depends on what you want the dog for, ie.. dog sports, weight pull, agility, agil-lure, or just a good working dog.
In a Border Collie, a cattle dog, agility, protection
In a Chiauhau(spelling) lap biter, ankle biter, pinkie biter, sorry, they weight pull, agility, or just be a good watch dog.
So pick your breed and choose the drive they have and be careful on how it is determined at "agressive behavior" instead of "breed characteristic"

You tell me below which dog you would be more scared of???
Most DOG people will probably be right!!

[LilacDragon]

Sorry, the fact of the matter is that PIT bulls were bred to fight in PITS - hence the name. HOWEVER - one of the most important requirements of early breedings was that no matter how DOG aggressive a fighter was - being people friendly was a must. The original breeders and fighters prized their dogs highly and took care of any injuries that the dog aquired in the pit and took the dogs home to live with the family. Dogs that won in the pit were often shot if they were aggressive toward people.

I know several pit bull owners and while their dogs are friendly - not one of them is willing to consider that their dog will not attack another dog. They train their dogs daily and monitor their dogs closely. They never, EVER leave their dogs unattended with another dog. EVER.

Heather - if your husband doesn't want the breed, you might look at another breed.

[wolfsoul]

Sorry, the fact of the matter is that PIT bulls were bred to fight in PITS - hence the name.

Actually "pit bull" was not a term recognised until they started fighting them, which happened several decades after the birth of the breed. They were originally called "Staffordshire bull baiters," which also gave way to the AKC's changing of the American pit bull terrier's name to Staffordshire bull terrier.

Oh, and I'm in complete agreement -- people-agressive dogs were culled by death. These were family dogs that slept in the children's beds.

[dogluver4life]

If you really want to do some history,

You can try:
white terrier
Irish staff
bully baiter
Irish white terrier


No matter what you want to call them, and what people think of them, the Pit Bull will always get a bad rap
I have had up to 40 at one time in the past 10 years. 4 fights EVER.
ALL DOGS SHOULD BE MONITORED if they have any drive.
I can't leave my Aussies alone together.
My Border Collies are fine.
My 3 year male and my 6 year old male are fine and the are OMG, PIT BULLS!!! Bred for SHOW and NOT FIGHTING. My 6 year old has high prey drive but my 3 year old does not. But they have been raised togother in an environment that has no high risk elements. I AM ALPHA.
The only one who is bossy, by mouth, is my unsure Aussie. Lack of social skills by first owner. I have only had her a few months.
My AST is so social she would invite everyone to a sleepover. And bake cookies..
So think what you, but don't judge ye who he have not met.
I have not judged you.
Black, white, red, or based on the religion or nationality you are.
Of course I have not met you either

[dogluver4life]

These were family dogs that slept in the children's beds.

Still are...

[wolfsoul]

What a beautiful dog, I love the colour. Do you show your dogs?

[Reachoutrescue]

I own a pit mix...he is the sweetest thing ever! Tell your hubby to check out the internet and he will see...as long as you raise them to be nice, they are nice. They are one of the best breeds out there. Good luck.

[MajesticCollies]

Pitbulls ??Aggression, Fact or Not???
I grew up with the breed because thats all my dad wanted. The only way he would buy them was if they were registered. The problem is . I want one but my hsband has bought into all of the media hype about them. I have tried to explain its all in how they are raised but he is petrified. I was hoping that if he saw some positive responses on here it would help.. I would appreciate any responses.
Heather

OK here's my two cents and I'm afraid it isn't on the positive note. Steele my Blue Merle Collie has a brother named Remington. Obviously brothers Remington Steele. Now you know where he gets his name. Anyhow, Remi lived in a house hold with multiple dogs and one was a Pit. The loving family pet Pittbull we are accustomed too. But one day in the back yard for no reason the pit snapped and literally tore off the bottom jaw of Remi. Yes this beautiful collie had to be put down. Farse? or uncontrollable aggression?
No one knows. The friendly family Pit was then removed from the house hold.
It's not that just this breed can snap, but its the power of the bite and the passion of this breed to hold onto and finish what he started till the very end resulting in the worst of injuries or death.
I know people who have pits, I give them hugs and belly rubs like any other dog, but I will never ever have one in my house hold just for the reason of the POSSIBILITY of this breed snapping. The last thing I would want to do is to intervene while this Pit is having a death grip on a nother dog for it to turn on me or my kids.
This is my point of view.

[borzoimom]

Thats my point- my friends dog wasnt from a trailer park or badly raised or socialized badly etc- in fact highly trained - had two obedience titles- a Cd and CDX and yet one day for noooooooooooooooooo reason jumped a fence in a place she was use to seeing other dogs and attacked terribly a spayed dog, and then turned on the owner that tried to save her dog.. Something is not right here in the brains of these dogs... Even noooooooooo pd in a concentrated area will use these breeds in PD because they can not NOT GET THE DOG to stop an attack... Its like- once the attack starts, they can not stop... Something is wrong here- and it scares me... I knew my friends dog, even tried to help her get the dog passed into therapy work when they said the breed was not accepted- only to have it COME BACK MY FACE that the breeds are not reliable enough... I hate to admit this- but they were right... Once a "pit " starts a fight , it will finish and the jaw pressure is deadly... totally.. deadly...

[rutylr]

Thats my point- my friends dog wasnt from a trailer park or badly raised or socialized badly etc- in fact highly trained - had two obedience titles- a Cd and CDX and yet one day for noooooooooooooooooo reason jumped a fence in a place she was use to seeing other dogs and attacked terribly a spayed dog, and then turned on the owner that tried to save her dog.. Something is not right here in the brains of these dogs... Even noooooooooo pd in a concentrated area will use these breeds in PD because they can not NOT GET THE DOG to stop an attack... Its like- once the attack starts, they can not stop... Something is wrong here- and it scares me... I knew my friends dog, even tried to help her get the dog passed into therapy work when they said the breed was not accepted- only to have it COME BACK MY FACE that the breeds are not reliable enough... I hate to admit this- but they were right... Once a "pit " starts a fight , it will finish and the jaw pressure is deadly... totally.. deadly...

Again your friends dog was not as APBT but and Am.Staff.This thread is about APBT's.
Your friend must not have known about the breed and it's standard or she would have known that they can be dog aggressive.I watch my dogs all the time and don't let strange dogs near them.It is better toooooooo be safe then sorry.If your friend know what she was doing it might not have happened.

[animal_rescue]

*nods nods* I agree with rutylr on everything!