Eukanuba-Bad, Better, Or Worse?

**GreyhoundGirl** · 10-15-2006, 05:30 PM

Wow....

**iamgobsmacked** · 10-17-2006, 05:58 AM

Corn fillers in pet foods are a source of allegens for many pets. Meat by products may contain the remains of euthanised pets.

Eukanaba is made by Proctor and Gamble the same company that Produces Iams. Iams animal cruelty is legendary. So of course it is a matter of conscience of whether one chooses to help support this trade.

http://www.doglogic.com/petsinfood.htm

http://www.liferesearchuniversal.com/petfood.html

http://frrhealthypet.com.hosting.dom....com/id35.html

iams/eukanuba
http://www.iamscruelty.com/

* http://www.uncaged.co.uk/news/2002/asa2.htm

* http://www.pandgkills.com/boycott/globalday_06.html

* http://www.itsjustmee.co.uk/testing.html

**iamgobsmacked** · 10-17-2006, 06:35 AM

BTW the poster who supplied the information from Norden Labs. Re complete nutrition

bang on. The day any species can obtain complete nutrition in a single bag is the day the pet and health food companies can stop paying millions of dollars in research. We still have a lot of gaps in our understanding of Pet Nutrition. Which is why it is recommended that a few quality pet foods be alternated from time to time in order to offer the variety and nutrition our pets need. Just like people need to alternate food groups in order to obtain the maximum value and derive the various vitamins from the different food groups.

Also many of the added vitamins and pro-biotics added to clever marketing of pet foods are synthetic extractions of mere components of the vitamin. The heat process alone required for the processing of foods renders many of these supplements ineffective.

Also Flax seed oil, while deriving higher prices for the extraction method are still inferior ,to the whole fresh ground flax seed. The flax seed oil is missing the very important component of Lignans, that is present in the whole ground seed but not in the more expensive oils.

Live enzymes, pro-biotics are subject to integrity breakdown in the heating process. Fresh yogurt or Kefir added as a treat or supplement will provide inexpensive sources of natural beneficial bacteria. Yogurt provides valuable "transient" bacteria to keep the gut clean, while Kefir provides beneficial bacteria that is able to colonize the gut.

Any animal coming off a course of antibiotics should be offered these treats to replace beneficial bacteria and flora. And periodic supplementation with the above will keep the gut and digestive tract healthy. The source of many skin diseases, inflammatory conditions etc, begin in the the enteric nervous system (the gut). Beyond skin conditions, enteric system disorders are the second largest health issues affecting pets.

Pet Foods:
What's Really In Them?
http://www.nzymes.com/Articles/whats...inpetfoods.htm

http://www.bull-terrier-skin.com/kefir.htm

http://www.vivo.colostate.edu/hbooks...i_nervous.html

**borzoimom** · 10-26-2006, 07:56 AM

I wont get into the facts of the use of rendering plants -several- for this meat protein they use which includes but not limited it- beaks, feathers, hyde, hooves, cancerious tumors etc- or even the fact they use ethoxyquin as the perservative at these rendering plants, and the mother company doesnt have to list it as it wasnt done at their final processing plant. I will not even discuss that the kibble can swell to 3 times its weight in a wet 100 degree environment ( such as the stomach) and having deep chested dogs my whole life- bloat is always a fear until I went to raw. ( btw- I lost a shepherd to bloat suddenly on Iams..) ( continueing to bit my tongue off.. ).. However- what makes me upset is that the quality of their food, and all the money in advertising- even sponsering a huge dog show circuit, receiving all this money- yet they have not improved the quality of the ingredients. Put it this way- you can now buy this food at a walmart or grocery store- does that tell you how much its worth?????

**Catlady711** · 10-27-2006, 01:53 PM

Yup, just knew it would turn into a pet food war again.

**borzoimom** · 10-27-2006, 02:39 PM

bring it on .. how about this site.. this just makes you sick ... This a dog food rendering plant situation. and not the one not listed as an offender is Bil Jac.. ( I feed raw by the way- but keep bil jac incase I loose power..) http://www.petsmart.com/global/produ...N=2035804&Ne=2

**dragondawg** · 10-27-2006, 05:33 PM

Originally Posted by flaxseedoil1000

I do however take exception when I see/hear "by-products are bad" and "corn is just filler".

There is much more to it than that and folks need to educate themselves.

Welcome to the forum of dog food threads, where the topic will always be started as which food is better, and immediately drift into being Raw is good and most dog foods are bad. You can see it in this thread. The original question was: Is dog food Brand-A better than dog food Brand-B? The answer should have been: Are your dogs healthy on their current brand? If so then why bother switching?

You have already encountered some of the religion in the form of fillers, and the evils of corn. If you point out your dogs are perfectly healthy on dog food, the counter will come that you can't tell by looking. Yes that has been said. Apparently not even a Vet can tell.

Another good one you'll hear is that there are preservatives in commercial dog food that will later slow down feces breakdown. Sort of interesting how there could be that much preservative in the feces, and yet the intestinal flora didn't get wiped out as it came down the alimenrary tract? Yet another is that commercial dog foods are lacking in Vitamins or some other nutrient. Now why would a manufacturer dog (or human) food take the expense of adding Vitamins that were going to be heat degraded? Not good for profit margins? Naaa- logic can not hold against religion. My two present dogs have apparently been lacking for 3 yrs, and the previous one lacking for 11 yrs.

Then there is the stand by horrors of dog food plants and what goes into the food.

If you're on the East Coast somewhere you might want to look into the (horrors) of the dog food I feed mine. It tends to be cheaper than the name brands (approx. 30%), and I've yet to see a visiting dog refuse to eat it. Might save you a few pennies in your rescue operation. About 2.5 cups per day is what I give mine (60+ lbs, 70+lb dogs).

Propet

Ingredients: Lamb meal, brewers rice, ground yellow corn, chicken, corn gluten meal

Raa rooo nasty corn.

**borzoimom** · 10-29-2006, 05:17 AM

Iamgobsmacked- I am impressed! Good links.. And Army base huh? My stepson just got home from Iraq a few months back and out of the marines now..

**borzoimom** · 10-29-2006, 05:20 AM

Originally Posted by GreyhoundGirl

Meat should be one of the first indredients.

Can someone tell me, is this good?

Ingredients:
Lamb meal, Ground rice, rice flour,rice bran,soybean oil, sunflour oil,poultry fat, Natural flavours, rice glutin, dried egg product, dried beet pulp, ect. ect.

Meat is the first ingredient, but there seems to be a lot of rice. This food is nutro lamb and rice. It is supposed to be all natural, but rice isn't exactly a natural thing for a dog to eat.

I'm confused, can someone clarify please?

I would worry more about the dried beet pulp. That will swell and make gas when water from the stomach and heat is added.. Rice glutin- same thing. I assume you have deep chested dogs like I do.. I wouldnt touch it..