Government run health care

[blue]

Blue, I'm going to leave it at this:

You have no earthly clue who you're speaking with

Well duh, Capt. Obvious.

or what you're speaking about.

Wrong.

[Lady's Human]

And you've never recieved a dime from the US Government outside of military pay?

[blue]

And you've never recieved a dime from the US Government outside of military pay?

Unemployment insurance, otherwise I have no idea if I have.

[Lady's Human]

You're an electrician in Alaska.

Your entire job is based on US Government funding electric power in rural areas, funding the Alaskan Pipeline, and other pork directed to Alaska.

You don't like .gov, but .gov is the entity which created your job.

[blue]

You're an electrician in Alaska.

Your entire job is based on US Government funding electric power in rural areas, funding the Alaskan Pipeline, and other pork directed to Alaska.

You don't like .gov, but .gov is the entity which created your job.

Im a Residential Wireman, how did the .gov create my job? Ive worked in Anchorage, Wasilla, and Palmer, none of those cities get power from the state or .gov.

The Alyeska Pipeline was privately funded, there is no Alaskan Pipeline, yet. The Alaskan Pipeline is something we will be financing because .gov wont, or hasnt guaranteed us the funds to make it happen. Besides, the construction of a NG pipeline should fall for us to fund anyway, it keeps .gov out of our profits.

Im qualified to work on houses, Ive never worked on a .gov funded housing.

[Lady's Human]

Without the grants from the federal Rural Electrification commission, there would be no residential wiring in AK for you to work on.

Never worked on .gov funded housing? I guess no house you've ever worked on was funded by fannie mae, freddie mac, a VA loan or a rural housing loan.

Your profits? Planning on building a NG pipeline yourself?

The Aleskya pipeline may have been privately funded, but also had a large amount of federal involvement. Without federal intervention, the pipeline would have had to purchase the land the pipeline is on. Instead, they lease the land for a sum of $104,000 per year. Not a bad deal for the amount of acreage involved.

Without Federal intervention, and a special law enacted to bypass the legal challenges to the pipeline, it is doubtful that the pipeline would have ever been constructed at all.

[blue]

Without the grants from the federal Rural Electrification commission, there would be no residential wiring in AK for you to work on.

Without people buying houses there would be no residential wiring. Anchorage, Wasilla and Palmer dont fall under FREC.

Never worked on .gov funded housing? I guess no house you've ever worked on was funded by fannie mae, freddie mac, a VA loan or a rural housing loan.

I never worked for FM, FM, the VA,or any RHL. I worked for electrical contractors.

Your profits? Planning on building a NG pipeline yourself?

All Alaskans recieve profits from the sale of our minirals, its only right that we should fund it.

The Aleskya pipeline may have been privately funded, but also had a large amount of federal involvement. Without federal intervention, the pipeline would have had to purchase the land the pipeline is on. Instead, they lease the land for a sum of $104,000 per year. Not a bad deal for the amount of acreage involved.

Without Federal intervention, and a special law enacted to bypass the legal challenges to the pipeline, it is doubtful that the pipeline would have ever been constructed at all.

If the Feds had lived up to their end of the deal during Alaska's statehood we wouldnt need any Fed or .gov intervention.

[Lady's Human]

You worked for contractors, who were paid by....................

finance agreements.............

who were more than likely funded through the above listed alphabet soup of federal agencies who were created to fund private home ownership.

No mortgages=no houses=no jobs for residential electrical contractors.

As to funding the Alaska NG pipeline....There's almost $5 million in the current budget for personnel to oversee the project.......doens't sound much like an "Alaska Only" project. Further more, this quote from one of your Fed. Reps makes it sound like a pork project:

Rep. Jay Ramras, R-Fairbanks, heard the same message.

“My wish is that it would be turned into a giant public works project,” he said. “I’m concerned if it’s left up to the economics of the project, it is probably not going to happen. It’s quite doubtful.”


Go Alaska.............nice to see you're all so independent......oops, maybe not so much.

[blue]

You worked for contractors, who were paid by....................

finance agreements.............

Realators, and Contractors paid my bosses. Where the homeowners got the funding is no concern of yours or mine.

who were more than likely funded through the above listed alphabet soup of federal agencies who were created to fund private home ownership.

No mortgages=no houses=no jobs for residential electrical contractors.

As to funding the Alaska NG pipeline....There's almost $5 million in the current budget for personnel to oversee the project.......doens't sound much like an "Alaska Only" project. Further more, this quote from one of your Fed. Reps makes it sound like a pork project:

Rep. Jay Ramras, R-Fairbanks, heard the same message.

“My wish is that it would be turned into a giant public works project,” he said. “I’m concerned if it’s left up to the economics of the project, it is probably not going to happen. It’s quite doubtful.”


Go Alaska.............nice to see you're all so independent......oops, maybe not so much.

Go pound sand.

If Ak was left to the original agreement, Jay Ramras would be sucking on an exaushst pipe instead of wasting his breath.

[Lady's Human]

Realators, and Contractors paid my bosses. Where the homeowners got the funding is no concern of yours or mine.

Given that you're proclaiming how independent you are from federal funding, it is a part of the discussion. I brought this into the discussion as much of the mortgage industry and much of the construction industry is either backed or directly funded with federal money. That being the case, you are being paid with money backed by taxpayers or funded directly from tax money.

As to pounding sand, well, when the facts don't support your argument, ignore them and resort to invective.

[Cataholic]

That is how everyone bills. A seperate fee for a seperate look-see.
Sorry I know that is lame. But that is the way it is done, it's legal, it's the norm.
If you go into a grocery store thinking that you will buy eggs and then pick up some bread you will be charged for both. Not just the eggs.
If you take your car in for an oil change and a tire rotation you will be charged for both.
When you go to the dr or hospital you will have indivual charges for all line items. Otherwise people would be in there for hours, can you check my ears, I have this mole, (can you remove it), my neck cracks, I have a foot fungas, my heart races, my eyes are blurry, I have the runs on other days I can't go. It goes on and on and on on.
There are some simple things we can do.
1) Use birth control. 1/3 of all births are now welfare babies. The cost is in the billions.
2) Don't smoke.
3) Watch your weight and exercise.
Just doing small things if people would take better care of themselves would ease the health care problem greatly.
When you see a crack mom giving birth to her 5th child and it to0 will have mental and physical problems you can imagine that this family alone with cost a million to support before they are 18.
Today I had an inner city man call and ask if we took Care Source I said "no I am sorry we don't" and he said F&^K you!! We all got a good laugh. What ya gonna do, either you laugh at the ignorant fool or you feel sorry for them and I have been in this business too long to feel pity for people like that.

Marigold, your perspective is very unique. Very. So much broadstroke action you may as well be painting a barn.

I know I have said this before but you must have had a very, very difficult childhood to sound so bitter about many things.

[RICHARD]

Please don't worry about the government running health care..
The hospitals are doing a slam bang job of taking care of the patients....


Cedars-Sinai Hospital here in Lost Angeles had a CT scan machine that was out of whack for 18 months.

The machine irradiated patients at a rate of 8xs the normal levels due to a computer malfunction.

Some patients 'only' had hair loss as a side effect.

http://cbs2.com/health/Cedar.Sinai.R...2.1244165.html

[caseysmom]

Marigold, your perspective is very unique. Very. So much broadstroke action you may as well be painting a barn.

I know I have said this before but you must have had a very, very difficult childhood to sound so bitter about many things.

You got that right. I have never heard anyone speak with such stereotypical venom before.

[lizbud]

Marigold, your perspective is very unique. Very. So much broadstroke action you may as well be painting a barn.

I know I have said this before but you must have had a very, very difficult childhood to sound so bitter about many things.

I don't see a need for you to use personal attacks here.

The Op was stating facts. A little bluntly maybe, but to the point.

[Hellow]

My comment on Government-run healthcare, and I don't really care to read this entire thread, so bear with me if I sound like Captain Obvious:


You all do notice that the government has to get the money to pay for your healthcare from somewhere. Guess where they are going to get it from?

Taxes.
Which means taxes will go up.
With a couple million+ more people depending upon the government even more, who knows how much they will go up.
The entire thing comes back to slap us in the face in the span of a month or less.

Furthermore, you are placing your entire life in the hands of the Government, whether you like to admit it or not. So, instead of private corporations getting to decide whether you get treatment and live or not, the government is going to do it for them.


Congratulations.