Why make the choice to not have children?

[sirrahved]

CAN EVERYONE HEAR ME???????


I SAID they were my opinions. I've continued to post because people have continued to say how wrong I am. I have maintained that they are opinions.

I BELIEVE THEM TO BE FACT.

But I have clearly said EVERY TIME that they are my opinions. EVERY TIME! I'm assuming that you didn't see the post totally attacking me?

I never said ANYTHING negative about anyone. JUST STATING WHAT I BELIEVE!

[Ally Cat's Mommy]

Originally posted by sirrahved
Animals just cease to exist in my opinion.

Personally I am looking forward to being re-united with all my RB pets one day.

I can't say it better than Pops already did:

Every living creature has a soul. The thing that's inside our bodies that keeps us alive is our soul. Without our soul, we are *just* a body........not ourselves. Same with animals. If they didn't have a soul, they would be dead. Their souls may not be accountable for their deeds, etc. as our's are, according to most religious beliefs, but they STILL have a *soul*. I don't know how anyone could deny that.........its common sense.

[Cataholic]

Who was it that said, "Me thinketh the lady doth protest too much?"

[Desert Arabian]

Glacier, that is really interesting! I never knew any of that, since I'm not religious.

A soul implies eternal life. We have souls because we live or die eternally. Animals just cease to exist in my opinion.

So, how come people can have eternal life but animals can't!? Is it because we are humans and think we get to decide what we can do and what others can't!? (Remember, I am not religious, so I don' follow up on any of this....)

Sometimes, I think you post solely for the reason to get the rest of us fired up.

Your idea of 'truth' is not universally supported by all christians. It is one thing to espouse an opinion. It is quite another to espouse a 'fact'.

Though I confess to getting the Harris family confused....with your similar names and all, weren't you the one that was commenting on how unpleasant people were being to you? If so, do you not see how some of your comments just might make people a tad bit offended?

I agree with you Johanna! 100%

[Ally Cat's Mommy]

The book of Genesis tells us that animals were expressly created by God as companions for human beings.

Those who understand that God's love and care extends to all creatures are often challenged by religious people who insist that the concern for animals is a secular issue. Their insistence is easy to understand. Although the bible has a great deal to say about God's concern for animals, and the relationship between human and animal beings, this subject has been ignored. With very few exceptions, neither rabbis, ministers, theologians, nor biblical exegetes have braved the chauvinism of human bias. A bias which sees its own species as the center--and the circumference--of God's concern.

This bias continues in spite of the fact that the Bible depicts the spiritual journey of animals just as surely as it describes the human journey. The scriptures trace their story from the time of creation, through their sojourn in a fallen world, to a millennial world they will share with their human companions. And in the book of Revelation, both wild and domestic animals are shown in heavenly places, praising God for their redemption.

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[CathyBogart]

Originally posted by sirrahved
IMHO, there should not be a debate about which is more important, which you should save in a fire. I can respect the fact that some don't want/like children, but children have souls and animals don't. When choosing a life that already exists, the child is more important!

You said that in your opinion there should be no debate. You said that animals have no soul as though it was fact. I agree with Johana, you seem to post for the sole purpose of upsetting people and getting a negative reaction. Well, you've got your negative reactrion, and you've changed this thrad from an open discussion into an argument.

Why should it matter to you if someone else feels that all lives are equal, and one species should nt be valued over another? You aren't going to change any minds, so this is one point where we need to agree to disagree.

Go start another religious argument thread if that's what you want to have.

[Uabassoon]

??? It's the truth. You don't have to believe it...

Yes, we can hear you. You didn't say it was your opinion, you said it was the truth. HUGE difference.

I BELIEVE THEM TO BE FACT.

Anything can be a fact, but that doesn't mean it's the truth. I can say the sky is purple and that would be a fact. A wrong fact, but still a fact. Just because you believe something to be true doesn't mean that it's THE truth. No one knows everything, for all I know you could be right and I could be wrong. But I know I would never run around telling people MY beliefs were the truth since they are only MY truths.

[Kfamr]

EESH!! This lady....... wow...

[All Creatures Great And Small]

Originally posted by sirrahved
CAN EVERYONE HEAR ME???????

Sadly, yes.

You didn't originally say it was your opinion, you said it was "the truth". Not the same thing. You didn't say "my opinion is that it's the truth", you said, "it's the truth". I have no religious beliefs at all here, no opinions on who or what has or doesn't have a soul, but I feel very strongly about people expressing themselves and then not having the b**ls to admit what they really said, instead of backpedaling and indignantly claiming to be misunderstood.

[sirrahbed]

Originally posted by Cataholic
Who was it that said, "Me thinketh the lady doth protest too much?"

The lady doth protest too much, methinks.
William Shakespeare, from Hamlet



I should not be here in the DogHouse but could not resist answering that one because I knew the answer!!

[Cataholic]

Originally posted by sirrahbed
The lady doth protest too much, methinks.
William Shakespeare, from Hamlet



I should not be here in the DogHouse but could not resist answering that one because I knew the answer!!

Yeah, I guess I tried to mix American NEW English with real Old English...I never was much for the arts...sadly, it shows.

[sirrahbed]

Originally posted by Cataholic
Yeah, I guess I tried to mix American NEW English with real Old English...I never was much for the arts...sadly, it shows.

I have a BA in Literature - and was so excited to know the answer to something for a change!!

[dukedogsmom]

Well, I'm one that believes that animals will be in Heaven with me. I have also prayed that every animal that has contacted my life in some way join me there. Duke, of course, will have a very special place there but all will be much loved and I'll finally be able to have all the animals I want. Someone a long time ago tried to tell me they won't be there but I believe that if that's what it takes to make me happy there, then they'll be there right beside me.

[trayi52]

I want to say one thing about wheather animals have souls, an whether they go to heaven, and thats if God don't let our pets go with us to heaven, then it would be such a dull and unhappy place for me.

Yesterday, I talk to a lady that is very religious, she lost her husband to cancer about two years ago, she said that about 2 or 3 months after her husband died, her beautiful German Shepard died too. She said this dog actually morned himself to death over her husband. He would howl everynight after the death of her husband. He had never done that before, ever! I told her the story of rainbow bridge and she took that to mean that her husband and that dog, and some of the other pets that was so dear to her and her husband were there waiting for her to come so they could all cross the bridge together into heaven. She was very tearful about this.


Her and her husband were unable to have children, these dogs were their children, the only children they ever knew. Now how could anybody tell her that those 'children were not at the bridge waiting with her late husband' for her to cross the bridge with them into heaven?

When your joys here on this earth involve dogs, cats, birds, and reptiles, etc, then how could you not have that joy in heaven too? To me I have to believe they will be there waiting for me.

If you believe there is no hell, then how can you believe there is a heaven? I hope and pray that our pets are in heaven waiting to greet us there. Now that would be heaven for certain to me.

Willie

[sirrahbed]

I know the Harris family gets confusing - let me clear it up:
Sirrahsim (Missy) is my daughter
Sirrahved (Devon) is my daughter-in-love
Sirrahbed is me and I am the MOM

Sirrahsim started the thread. Sirrahved is now hurting because she feels strongly about what she believes and will not back down. You may not like her or what she says, but that is no reason to say things that sound angry and make her sad. I feel that some of you were rather harsh to her. As for me, I got a PM that said I hurt feelings but it may have been for one of the girls or maybe it was for me, I duuno, but I did PM back and apologize. Maybe my "maternal" is coming out but I do not want to see my girls hurt. I do not want to hurt anyone!! Do any of you want to knowingly hurt someone with your words??

This thread is now so OFF TOPIC - can we get it back to where it was??

MISSY - do you think it might be a good idea to just delete the thread?? - it has been very interesting but maybe it has run too long....