evolution is bogus

[lotrfreak]

oh, about planet of the apes, if i would watch it i might be able to again defend my belief. it seems as freaky as Chuckie to me

[marysmerrycats]

I don't know that much about Wicca but, I know that they honor a higher being that is more powerful than themselves

yes, they do... but it is not God. and I am not condemning them, I am just saying what I have been raised with the belief and there may very well be some that practice it that still do beleive in God. I beleive that when you die, if you believe in God, then you will be with him for eternity.

[babolaypo65]

But richard... it seems we've DEvolved with that terrible terrible remake of planet of the apes. helena bonham carter what were you thinking!!!

Originally posted by RICHARD
proof of evolution has been sitting under everyone's nose for the last 25 plus years.....



planet of the apes movies......


explain THAT away...

[wolfsoul]

I don't know that much about Wicca but, I know that they honor a higher being that is more powerful than themselves

Yes, pagens believe in the God and the Goddess. I can't remember exactly (i used to practice wicca) but I do remember that the God is the god of the sun, as well as many other things, and the Goddess is the goddess of the moon, harvesting, and other stuff

I don't believe in that stuff though...

[yorkster]

Originally posted by lotrfreak
Harry Potter is not Christian and it is written on a bunch of cr**.

WHAT??!
you're not serious, right?
if you are, then I guess you'd want Harry potter books banned/burned?!!

[IttyBittyKitty]

LOTRFREAK,

Just because LOTR was written by someone you "approve" of does it make it okay to read these books yet codemn Harry Potter books? It's the same bleedin' genre here. Tolkien may have been a Christian, but that very fact and any religious messages he is trying to convey in the books are well hidden indeed.

Meanwhile, why cant LOTR post here any more?

[shais_mom]

Originally posted by IttyBittyKitty

Meanwhile, why cant LOTR post here any more?

I think you mean Jesus Freak.

[wolfsoul]

Excuse me, maybe the churches who rejected Lord of the Rings didn't do their research. John Ronald Reuel Tolkien is a Christian

So you're saying that you wouldn't read a book if it isn't written by a Christian? It's not just in this statement, but in all of yours that is racist. You are a racist! You judge people by their religion. You judge people's writing by their religion. And that is racism. I don't judge you by your religion, but by the way you speak of it. I judge you by the way you condemn others opinions, and the way you only consider yourself as "right" when everyone knows that no one person is known to be right.

So --- you wouldn't read "The Cage" by Ruth Minsky, because she is Jewish, and because her book is based on the true story of the Haullocaust, and about how the Jewish suffered during the time of war?

You wouldn't read books that are written by Catholics, Muslims, Pagens, Satanists, Budists, or any others, because it spoke of what they believe in? That's pretty much what you are saying, and if it is true, than why do you linger here and listen to what we write? Not all of us are Christian, and everyone here is displaying their belief in an opinionated way, so why do you choose to read now, when you reject the writing of professional authors who take time and effort into their work?

[lotrfreak]

you are taking my words right out of context! I don't like to be accused of something that i would never have doner nor would ever think of doing. i said it is written by a Christian SO WHAT!!!!! that does not mean i only read Christian books. you said it is wierd that i am a Christian and yet read books that are rejected by some fellow Christians. i said they hadn't done their research beacuse he is christian. i dont read harry potter because it has to deal with sorcery and witchcraft and is in no way a part of the bible. i always thought the chronicles of narnia were bad until i knew they were founded in the bible. i read books by many different types of authors who have many different types of religious background. in fact, half of the Bible is written by Jews(through God of course). Have you ever heard of Watership Down? Why it is one of my most very favorite books. It is about rabbits, but it is no children's book. It is written by Richard Adams and you what, I have absolutely no idea what his religion is, and i know absolutely nothing about him except that he is a famed author for one of his other books, Shardik.

[Desert Arabian]

WOAH! Wolfsoul....your post made my jaw drop! lol!


I personally don't get why some Christian churches are against Tolkien/Lord of the Rings, since J.R.R. incorporated a fair amount of Christian imagery/symbolism!?!?!?!

[wolfsoul]

you are taking my words right out of context

SO? That's why we have the quote button, -duh-

i dont read harry potter because it has to deal with sorcery and witchcraft and is in no way a part of the bible.

Hmmmm.....well let's see, Lord of the Rings has quite alot of witch craft, sorcery... I haven't heard anything about the bible in it so far, but correct me if I'm wrong, I didn't enjoy the first movie and drowsed a bit..

Thanks YLL lol

[lotrfreak]

he didnt quote the bible he just had the ideas molded in his book. and u know what hollywood does to books.

[yorkster]

Originally posted by lotrfreak
l i dont read harry potter because it has to deal with sorcery and witchcraft and is in no way a part of the bible.

however, this is in the Bible (Exodus 21.7):
'If a man sells his daughter as a slave, she shall not be freed at the end of six days as the men are.'
then it goes on to say that if she displeases him, she can be sold as long as it's not to 'foreigners'

and this (Exodus 35.2):
'Work six days only; the seventh day is a day of solemn rest, a holy day to be used to worship Jehovah; anyone working on that day must die. Don't even light fires in your home on that day.'


So, what you're saying is that Harry Potter books are bad/evil, but these quotes from the Bible are to be followed?
I grew up going to church and Bible study, and it has
always been strange to me when people say things like "this is the truth because it says so in the Bible!"

[carole]

HERE HERE WELL SAID.

[babolaypo65]

Just to be precise, and not meaning to split hairs, but Tolkien was a staunch Catholic, When C.S. Lewis converted, it wasn't to Catholism (if memory serves, he was Anglican)...(nor was it because of Tolkien-your post was amiguous there).

While I agree there are certain themes in LOTR that are "christian" in nature, and while Tolkien noted that he did use some biblical stories and concepts as inspiration, it IS also full of pagan references, and obvious pagan tradition, as well as references to mystical, magical things that would not sit well with many different types of christians. In addition Tolkien states openly that the main inspiration for LOTR was the wars and politics of Europe in the 20th century, and HITLER. That's a particularly non-christian theme.

I find it troubling to say that LOTR is "christian" and that it's therefore okay to read. Does this suggest that all things written by Catholics, and all beliefs of the Catholic church would be acceptable to your "brand" of christianity?

Many books, and films have themes that could be viewed as Christian. Look at the Arthurian legends for an obvious lesson. Heck, look at the Matrix! Forest Gump....

My point isn't to argue religion. I don't believe in that. My point is this: LOTR is a novel, written by a man who had many influences, and inspirations. It is a work of fiction, regardless of the inspirations. All creative writing has inspiration from somewhere.

Harry Potter is also a work of fiction. As was Catcher in the Rye, and To Kill a Mockingbird. Each has its place and its audience. You may choose not to read them if you'd like.

If I were obnoxious, and you spoke to ME of Harry Potter as evil, withcraft.... I would hold you to that standard with all your entertainment sources. I would point out any hypocrisy when you chose to view a movie, or listen to someone's music that had non-christian, or magical, withcraft themes.
No bewitched, no sabrina, and, no LOTR as far as I'm concerned, GANDALF used magic, that was not of a christian source, nor a gift of Jesus. If anything it was Pagan.

LOTRfreak: I broke my own rule, I entered the religious part of this discussion. I'm sure I'll regret it, however, I am forever a teacher at my core, and your youthfull arrogance brought out the teacher in me.