Pitbulls ??Aggression, Fact or Not???

[lovingpaws]

ok I know this may be a bad analogy but bare with me
planes, trains, automobiles - all transportation

poodles, pits, labs etc.. - all dogs

hundreds of car accidents a day - do we see it on tv?
plane crash - "we interupt this program", "tragedy", No survivors....

dog bites happen every day - goldens, chi's, labs, poodles..etc
pit bites - make the news

all kinds of breeds have "attacked" - why does only one make the news, slow news day, Media manipulation, "K-9 Profiling"...just think on it...

[lovingpaws]

I hear you casey- but the fact is- this is a dog that wont even be used by a police department.

Not true. Here are some links showing pit bulls working for the police....

http://www.workingpitbull.com/activities.htm

http://www.hsus.org/pets/pets_relate...ice_pooch.html


http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNew...hub=TopStories

http://www.pitbulllovers.com/pitbull...-bomb-dog.html

hot dog!!!!

Awesome, Thanks for the info/links

Please note quote below taken from one above site re Breed Specific Leg. See my thread "Restricted/Banned Breeds Borzoi St. Bernard...." re: BSL


Breed Specific Legislation Puts Neville in Danger
On August 25th 2005 Canada in their great wisdom passed a BSL law in Ontario banning American Pit Bull Terriers. This law put Neville in danger. Gerogina shelter in Ontario is where Neville was placed.

[rutylr]

[QUOTE=MajesticCollies]

rutylr

So Basically you are saying the Pitbull is DANGEROUS to have in your house. who would want a dog that you could not trust if you leave them alone?

Pit Bulls like so many other breeds can be dog aggressive.People must know their breed before obtaining one.

[borzoimom]

[QUOTE=rutylr]

Pit Bulls like so many other breeds can be dog aggressive.People must know their breed before obtaining one.

I agree- and very well.. We reallllllllllllly point out the possibility ( strong at that) that a sighthound will chase something small. When I had shepherds I stressed getting the pup out more so to socilalize so they do not become territorial- its just like you said- "People MUST know their breed before obtaining one"...

[borzoimom]

Borzoimom is not bashing the dog itself, she is truly concerned with your, your family's and loved ones' safety. Can you all not see that she is trying to educate and protect people here? What would she possibly gain by trying to pick on a particular breed of dog? She has not said anything rude or spiteful or sarcastic to any one here, but she has been disrespected by many "bull-headed" people on this thread. How dare anyone imply that because she is "new" to PT, that she doesn't have a right to express herself. She is obviously a "dog-lover" as she has posted on many other threads here and offered her help and kindness. I pray to God that none of you have to experience the very thing that she and Tim both are trying to educate you about. She has not suggested that any one put their beloved pet to sleep because it is a pit bull, she is simply sharing some horrific experiences she knows of and trying to prevent further ones from happening. The polite and adult thing to do would be to thank her for her advice / warning and move on instead of being hateful.

WHY THANK YOU! That is exactly what I am trying to say...
In most areas, " when you cant say something nice, dont say nothing at all" does not apply in the pet area. Half the dogs that end up in shelters were taken originally by well meaning, but un knowing owners. Like the one that gets a saint bernard, with no clue this can really up a 150 pound dog. Or get a collie because it looks like lassie- no clue that (rough) coat takes daily work and care in brushing. Or the one that gets a border collie with no realllll total idea this dog needs alot of stimulation and a job to do. Or a terrier unknown they can be barkers.... Even my own breed- I could not own a cat with my older one in my life- I love cats! But I know the limitiations here... This actually the first time in my life I havent had a cat.
YOur words of kindness, obviously totally understanding the intent in my posts has me touched.. THANK YOU!

[buttercup132]

There she gose again not sticking to her word of not replying tot his thread anymore.

I think I need to start tallying this up and see when she finally stops.

[borzoimom]

There she gose again not sticking to her word of not replying tot his thread anymore.

I think I need to start tallying this up and see when she finally stops.

I have the right to post as much as I want too. And only come back because of comments such as the above. Everyone has a right to opinion and a right to change their mind - at least here in the US... Where do you live? And if you want to see who you are talking to- here is a picture of me and hottie taking in the basement when it was under construction- ( you will notice who is sitting on the floor...) Sorry the glasses are ascue, but I was laughing as I needed to move the couch he was resting on..

[borzoimom]

yes, you do but you keep on saying you aren't coming back to this thread and you keep coming back.

yea I changed my mind- ... Here is food for thought.. -
I have a very dear friend that I have known since highschool ( thats uh over 32 years people..) anyway- from time we were younger, she never came over my house. We always stood outside to talk. The reason- my mother had cavaliers. She was afraid of dogs. If we did the sleep over routine- it was always at her house. Later as adults- she never came to my house- I had shepherds and beligiums and collies.. When we moved here- and where we live in like a ski resort in views etc- she only came once but I had to put my dogs up, and she spent the whole time jumping at any bang like any second the dogs would get out.. To me this fear is not logical- but I can understand it- she was bit in the face by a dog when she was 3 years old.
My point is- to her its a real fear. I have one here. And its not about the breed- its about how people feel after something happens. I can not get my friend to stop blaming herself for what happens. The guilt is overwhelming to her. ( would have, should haves- are running rampant..) It even caused a divorce because of all this.. Decideing if a breed is right for you is one thing, the second one is having things in place to protect yourself. And I dont mean physically. I mean the emotional and financial responsibility. Because- the laws will not be on the pit owners side- it will be on the other party. Sad but true..
Get this one- I was out in the yard one day a few months back when a bobcat jumped out of a tree- now I doubt he would have attacked me- but we will never know- Femka got it in a second! So I, thinking I was doing the right thing to report an encounter with such a wild animal called the forrestry service to report it and have the bobcat tested for rabies. Do you know they gave us a 25 dollar fine for hunting wildlife off season???? Now tell me that makes sense- my dogs were on my land, and the cat jumped down at us and my dog went to protect me.. BUT THEY were not in hunting season at the time. I had to go to court, the judge kept asking me-- did you feel in danger at any time. I said " why would I feel in danger? I had 4 borzois in the yard?" .. He asked me again. I looked at him confused like what is wrong with this guy- didnt he hear my response- finally time 3 I said " yes- I guess so- it was a bobcat".. He said ' THATS ALL I NEEDED TO HEAR- citation dismissed. ( bang with the gavel..)..

[Sara luvs her Tinky]

I only want to reply to say there is a consiquence anytime you own any pet. ANY PET!! Whatever pet you choose... i hope you choose it for life and are willing to take whatever steps are necessary to keep your pet happy and safe. If you choose a pet with a reputation... do what is necessary to prove doubters wrong.. when you neglect your responsabilities to your pet... you will more than likely pay some price for that.

As far as my response to the original thread...........

The only pit bull i've ever met is named Ice...
here she is sittin in the back seat of my car

and here she is giving me a kissy


Ice lives with a weiner dog named Angel and a kitty. I remember when they got the kitty would run and play and Ice would chase her and nuzzle her.. It would scare me ... not because Ice is a pit... but because she is a dog.. and the kitty is well.. a kitty! Happy to say Ice is doing good.. weiner dog is good and kitty is getting big and doing good. And i want to say Ice is the absolute sweetest dog i have ever met in my life!! I would looove to have her as my own dog!

I can't say much as far as if you should get a pit bull or not... because i believe only responsable people should own dogs (i'm not saying you are not responsable... i don't know you)... I can only say I BELIEVE the outcome of dog behaviours are susceptible to thier owners.

every breed has their horror stories!! i've been attacked by miniature chihuahuas before!!!!

[elizabethann]

Sara,

That was very well said.

[Heather78418]

I agree with everone here. You should only own animals if you want to accept the responsibility of your animals actions and other peoples. I preach to my children about responsibility all of the time. I know the breed having been around nothing but from the time I was an infant. I am not worried , it was my husband. I am not afraid of the breed. They can be the most loving of animals and the greatest of protectors. I am sorry but I dont believe they can just snap, there has to be something to trigger it. THANK YOU everyone for all of the info.

[borzoimom]

as long as you are satisified.
Anytime we make a decission, we have to know allll sides of something before we take the "plunge"... Good luck..

[Kfamr]

I am sorry but I dont believe they can just snap, there has to be something to trigger it.

And this is VERY true.
To the untrained eye it may seem there was nothing to trigger an attack. Every single dog gives out some sort of warning, wether it be vocal, posture, or looks. An experienced dog owner will know when their animal is upset or bothered by something and can correct it before anything happens.

Something that doesn't seem reasonable to attack/bite/bark over may look completely different from a dog's point of view.

[Jadapit]

And this is VERY true.
To the untrained eye it may seem there was nothing to trigger an attack. Every single dog gives out some sort of warning, wether it be vocal, posture, or looks. An experienced dog owner will know when their animal is upset or bothered by something and can correct it before anything happens.

Something that doesn't seem reasonable to attack/bite/bark over may look completely different from a dog's point of view.

EXACTLY!! I can read my dogs body language like a book that includes my pit bull.

Heather, I'm truly sorry this thread went where it did. You and your family are going to make wonderful, responsible pit bull owners. I hope you come back to share pictures and stories when you get the new baby.

[Heather78418]

I have one problem with the stuff borzoimom was saying.... I was just reading o another thread and she made references to the show " dog whisperer". If she has seen this then she has to have seen and heard how he talks about pitties. He hardly ever has one of them on a leash. I dont understand her. He has all of his dogs in one pen and they are fine. She confuses me.....