Chewy, I need elp on the most important decision ever

[Aspen and Misty]

Originally posted by lovemyshiba


He figured us out!!!

LOl smart man tell me how it goes on Friday Good luck! Thank you Sarah it means alot to know you support me.

Ash

[Jessica12345]

Originally posted by aly
Lets concentrate on the good. Chewy will be evaluated and may have a chance now.

YAAAAAY!

hoping for the best!

[oodlesofpoodles]

i know i will make some people mad but attaching another dog and attaching a person (which the dog knows) are two different matters in ga if you give a dog away knowingly that is human aggressive whether you tell the person that is getting the dog or not tell them if the dog bites and injures the person you are still liable. lawsuits. we have seen a lot of dogs at our clinic that sweet adorable babies then change for no reason several come to mind brutus rottie mix played with him since he was 6wks old never had a problem came in for baths almost everyother wk always running to me licking kissing one day he did as always i was hugging when he all of the sudden started growling lunged at me hitting me in the face and knock me back 6 feet into the wall broke my nose then he started growling at everyone the owners have chosen to keep him enough he went after their grandchild. then there omar a springer spaniel went after another client that was in the office for no reason this dog is older has growled and lunged at some of my other employees people he is used to. brutus was 2yr 145lb omar is 7yr 55lb. i think that ash has to make her own decision and what ever the decision is should be supportive of it. i personally will not keep a dog up that has started attaching or biting people for no reason. i know a lot of you will be mad at me but looking at it in a legal point of veiw i cant afford to be sued. also i wouldnt want it on my concince that i knowingly gave a dog away that was aggressive and then it harmed someone i dont think i could live with it i also dont think putting the dog in a pact is the thing to do if he is animal aggressive if you do you are asking for a major blood bath this is not humane either. sometimes we have to make decisions that we dont want to but have to i am not one for putting an animal down for no reason. but when it comes to aggression i personally will not own one. now if one of my poodles attacks for no reason after the 10day guaranteen they will be put down but if is protecting me from harm that is different and if i offend anyone i am sorry but responcible pet owner ship is what this is all about. so many breeds get a bad reputation due to one or two dogs. there was a list a few years back the cocker spaniel was the nbr one biting dog 1 in 10 but the rottie is the most feared it was rated 1 in 200 will bite like i said it is all about being responcible my heart goes out to ash and chewy and i wish them all the luck and no matter what her decision is everyone should be supportive on it. thats it for me i hope that i did not offend anyone.

[Aspen and Misty]

Thank you oodlesofpoodles. I just wanted to add here, as I think I forgot to mention it before.

Know what springer rage is? Its where the dogs eyes glaze over and they attack someone for no reson and they have no idea what they did and they completly loose controlle, well thats atleast my understanding of it. I beleave that Chewy has some thing like springer rage. His eyes glaze over and nothing will stop him from biteing. I don't personally think this is a behavioral problem I think it is a genes problem type of thing. I will be consolting with my vet to see if there is a test he can do or if there are any medicines which can help him, I asked the otehr vet who Chewy saw once and he said no, and now that I think about it I never asked my vet so I'm going to ask him. I thought that might help you more understnad our problem, now we are going to still go to the trainer.

Ash

[oodlesofpoodles]

in my 1st post i did say it could be medical i think by checking with your vet and checking with a trainer is a good thing and like i sd no matter what your decision is you have my full support and you are in my heart and prayers take care and let me know you can email me if you want. take care.

[wolfsoul]

i think springer rage is like something i read about before...i think its called rage disorder or something of the sort...i read that springer spaniels and solid coloured cockers are prone to it...i dont know much about it though...ill look it up...

[wolfsoul]

ah ive found some info! here we go, ill probably get more soon...i was gonna just copy it out onto the post, but its too long...ill just give u the addy

http://www.essfta.org/aggression.htm

[Aspen and Misty]

Thanx, that was interesinting. I didn't know much about it but now I feel like I know more. Always love to learn.

Ash

[luckies4me]

Originally posted by oodlesofpoodles
i know i will make some people mad but attaching another dog and attaching a person (which the dog knows) are two different matters in ga if you give a dog away knowingly that is human aggressive whether you tell the person that is getting the dog or not tell them if the dog bites and injures the person you are still liable. lawsuits. we have seen a lot of dogs at our clinic that sweet adorable babies then change for no reason several come to mind brutus rottie mix played with him since he was 6wks old never had a problem came in for baths almost everyother wk always running to me licking kissing one day he did as always i was hugging when he all of the sudden started growling lunged at me hitting me in the face and knock me back 6 feet into the wall broke my nose then he started growling at everyone the owners have chosen to keep him enough he went after their grandchild. then there omar a springer spaniel went after another client that was in the office for no reason this dog is older has growled and lunged at some of my other employees people he is used to. brutus was 2yr 145lb omar is 7yr 55lb. i think that ash has to make her own decision and what ever the decision is should be supportive of it. i personally will not keep a dog up that has started attaching or biting people for no reason. i know a lot of you will be mad at me but looking at it in a legal point of veiw i cant afford to be sued. also i wouldnt want it on my concince that i knowingly gave a dog away that was aggressive and then it harmed someone i dont think i could live with it i also dont think putting the dog in a pact is the thing to do if he is animal aggressive if you do you are asking for a major blood bath this is not humane either. sometimes we have to make decisions that we dont want to but have to i am not one for putting an animal down for no reason. but when it comes to aggression i personally will not own one. now if one of my poodles attacks for no reason after the 10day guaranteen they will be put down but if is protecting me from harm that is different and if i offend anyone i am sorry but responcible pet owner ship is what this is all about. so many breeds get a bad reputation due to one or two dogs. there was a list a few years back the cocker spaniel was the nbr one biting dog 1 in 10 but the rottie is the most feared it was rated 1 in 200 will bite like i said it is all about being responcible my heart goes out to ash and chewy and i wish them all the luck and no matter what her decision is everyone should be supportive on it. thats it for me i hope that i did not offend anyone.

It is VERY hard to read your post. Can you please word your senteces in a easy to read way? Thanks!

[Twisterdog]

It is VERY hard to read your post. Can you please word your senteces in a easy to read way? Thanks!

I agree. No offense intended, oodlesofpoodles, but if you use capital letters, punctuation and paragraphs in the future, it would be much easier for us to read.

I usually just skip posts without paragraphs and punctuation, because it's just too painful to try to read. I'm sure there's good information in a lot of those posts, but I just can't bear to atttempt it.

[Twisterdog]

Am I reading this correctly .... $350 per hour? $350 PER HOUR!?

*Twisterdog faints dead away on the floor ... *

I absolutely cannot comprehend paying ANYone $350 per hour for ANYthing! And I personally don't know of a single person who could afford to do so!

Ash, are you sure it's $350 per hour? If so, and if your dad is willing to do this for you and Chewy, I can assure you that your dad is a kinder, more generous and caring man than 99.999% of people on this earth. NO ONE can say you and your dad aren't trying and doing everything possible for this dog is he is willing to spend $350 per hour to try and save him. Honestly, I couldn't pay that for one of my dogs, no way.

I find it mind-boggling that anyone would have the nerve to charge that much for anything, no matter how good they are at it. And I find it even more mind-boggling that people would be willing to actually pay it! WOW.

[DoggiesAreTheBest]

Twisterdog, when Drake, my GSD/Wolf Hybrid, was showing signs of aggression, we went to a behaviorist who specializes in Hybrids and aggressive behavior. We paid $300.00 and hour. We met once a week and I had to drive over an hour and a half and take half a day off of work every Tuesday for about 4 months! We see this behaviorist once every 2 months now. Drake has benifitted greatly from our sessions and we only do for "preventative maintenance" for the lack of a better word.

Was it worth it? Absolutely!! We are fortunate to have had the means to pay for this. If we hadn't had the money, I would have sold anything that I had that would bring in that money for Drake.

[Sudilar]

As I've mentioned before, when we first adopted Shiloh, she had a nipping problem (not even biting, just nipping, no aggression). In the process of setting up a meeting with a behaviorist, at $200 an hour, Shiloh corrected it herself.

If this were a medical problem, would you spend $350 to help save your dog's life?

[lovemyshiba]

This trainer is going to see Chewy once, for a FREE evaluation. The eval is anywhere from 30-60 minutes, and during this time, he likes to get to know the dog, and the owners.
After that, it is entirely up to the owner if they want to continue with him. He gives no pressure.
I am taking my dogs there on Friday, for our initiation--just for basic obedience. He said that if I don't like him, or his area, or anything, there will be no pressure to take his class, or anything.
Since it is FREE, I think Chewy can at least be offered this.

[Pam]

Twister dog I have to agree with you. It really bothers me that anyone charges this kind of a fee! Good grief! Lots of things these days are overpriced but this is just gouging people. My thought is that they are preying on the 'last ditch efforts' of their patrons who are at their wits end and will agree to anything. Ash I have to commend you for going ahead with this. I think you and your folks are heros - it's just these outrageous fees that make me mad. I am a little skeptical about these people's (in general) desire to help people. It sounds too much like a money thing. Just my humble opinion.