Stoned to death

[phesina]

Do the people running the meatpacking plant hire illegal aliens?

[Bonny]

Do the people running the meatpacking plant hire illegal aliens?

Yes! The biggest raid in U.S. history took place in Postville, Iowa. Illegal Hispanics & Guatemalans were hauled away on buses. Mr Rahbushkin (sp?) was held accountable & was sent off to prison out on the east coast where his religion will be respected in a prison set asside for Jewish prisoners & his family will be living close by to visit him. He also has a huge fine to pay which I don't think will ever be paid? They also had Hispanic & Guatemalan children working in the packing plant. Mr. Rahbushskin (SP?) got by on that one.

The Illegal Hispanics & Guatemalans were sent back to their countries at the tax payers expense. Their families were cared for by the church groups fed, clothed, housed until transport could be had. It was a & still is a sad case of events.

Congress had better get their butt in gear & start changing the old laws that don't pertain to this time period & allow more legal visa's so workers can come in legally to work & also pay taxes like the rest of us do when they are here.

[popcornbird]

I come back online after a good amount of time only to find THIS??? I'm starting to think, "Thank God I don't have time for Pet Talk anymore!"

Some of you people here are so hateful, so insultive, so terrible that it is unbelievable, and just incredibly sad. It is a shame, truly, that some expect Muslims to be tolerant of everything, while they go about posting things that would cause any Muslim's blood to boil. I will refrain from commenting, because responding to someone who is worthless is just a waste of time.


To Bonny. I was not ignoring you. I am a busy mother of a young infant who keeps me on my toes, and don't even have time to keep up with my emails anymore. PT has become a last priority for me at this time in life. I don't even log on for weeks, or sometimes months at a time...so don't expect to hear from me quickly.

popcornbird, Thank you for sharing your culture. You come from a loving family. I have some questions? You have your religion Islam & then their is your culture. If a man of Islam walked by a women of another culture would he lower his eyes or look away? Do women also have to lower their eyes & look away when they see an Islamic a man or men or men of another culture? If that is the case how do you get to meet someone of the opposite sex? Are marriages prearranged by family & is that part of the Islamic religion or culture or both if so. Do the men, women, & children get to worship in the same area in a Mosque? Do you & can you marry outside your religion Islam if you should wish to? Are the men the head of the household like bringing home the wages, or can it be shared where the wife works also? Are there restrictions on careers for men or women that would interfere with the Islamic religion? All these questions but like you said what we hear is what the media puts out there.

In answer to your questions...Islam is a religion, and cultures are a seperate issue. Many Muslim countries practice 'cultures' that have nothing to do with Islam, and is just their culture. I don't really follow any culture. I just try my best to be a good Muslim.

If a man walks by a woman of ANY culture, he has to lower his gaze. It does not only apply to Muslim women. In fact, I would assume it applies more to women who are 'showing more', and thus, there is more reason to refrain from staring. Keep in mind that this ruling does not apply to women who are family members. We do not cover at home in front of our family. Women are also required to lower their gaze when around unrelated men, however the requirement of lowering the gaze is directed more strongly towards men than it is to women.

The rulings for marriage are different than the general rule. When interested in marriage, one not only can, but SHOULD look at the intended spouse, talk, and come to the conclusion of whether or not they feel suitable for each other before they proceed. There are different ways in which people meet their spouse. Most often, people get references from family or friends, where a parent, sibling, friend, etc. would tell the person, "I know such and such girl who is a wonderful person, beautiful, intelligent, has good manners, loving, etc....whatever one thinks about her.....I think she might be a good option for you. Why don't you look into it?" If the person looking to get married is interested, he or she usually tries to arrange a meeting with the girl/guy, and their family if possible. If they like each other, things usually move forward. If not, they keep looking. We don't date, and we don't go out with the opposite sex without a third person, but most of us get married and love our spouses more than anyone in the world.

Marriages are not 'prearranged' by family (unless the family is very cultural and not really religious), but the potential spouse is often introduced to the suitor by family, or friends. 'Arranged marriages' (where bride meets groom on wedding day ) are actually more of a Hindu custom, not an Islamic one.

About mosques...it depends on the mosque. Most mosques have a seperate hall for men and a seperate one for women, and children go wherever they want, but others just have the men in the front and the women in the back in the same hall.

Its generally not recommended to marry outside the religion. I wouldn't do it even if it were permissible. There is just no way a couple would be able to have a household together and raise kids together when their ideas of raising a family are so different. It would clash, regardless of how much you love each other.

Men are required to take on the responsibility of earning for their family. It is a requirement for them...they have to take that responsibility. Women on the other hand have the option. Women in Islam are allowed to work just as men are, but the financial burden to raise a family is not on their shoulders. In other words, if they wish to work, they can and most do, but they are not required to take this responsibility. There are jobs that both men and women would be forbidden from doing...for example, working at a bank, as working with interest based loans, accounts, etc. is forbidden in our religion. Working at a casino would be wrong for both sexes. Working at a nightclub would be forbidden...etc. The other typical jobs (doctor, teacher, engineer, salesperson, etc. is all allowed for both genders).

I hope I answered your questions.

[Cataholic]

There are jobs that both men and women would be forbidden from doing...for example, working at a bank, as working with interest based loans, accounts, etc. is forbidden in our religion. Working at a casino would be wrong for both sexes. Working at a nightclub would be forbidden...etc. The other typical jobs (doctor, teacher, engineer, salesperson, etc. is all allowed for both genders).

What about lawyers...he he he...

[RICHARD]

Sorry Richard and Lady's Human. But, I'm sure you guys would do the same if your Prophet or Jesus was called a pedophile.

No apology necessary, I apologize to you if I was rude.

I do not believe in any god except whoever made the planet and the universe that surrounds us.

I think it would be a dishonor to even try to understand anyone who could create something like this....

[wombat2u2004]

Richard. That looks like a frisbee

[blue]

Sure is....historically that is.

Because in modern times people think that God Given Rights are now subjective too majority rule instead of being self evident.

[wombat2u2004]

Because in modern times people think that God Given Rights are now subjective too majority rule instead of being self evident.

Too bad.

[blue]

Too bad.

Thats your answer for Government acting in a Tyrannical manner? Too Bad!

[wombat2u2004]

Thats your answer for Government acting in a Tyrannical manner? Too Bad!

Your bad luck.

[blue]

Good thing for me Im not an Aborigine. Good thing for you you didnt soldier here. Here Rights mean something.

[wombat2u2004]

Good thing for me Im not an Aborigine.

Yup.
I'd rather you be a yank....you belong there.

[blue]

Yup.
I'd rather you be a yank....you belong there.

What, Abo's dont shoot back? As a soldier your used to doing whatever your told and care nothing about laws or Rights? Is that why you like not having a Bill of Rights?

[wombat2u2004]

"What, Abo's dont shoot back?"

Good God no !!!! All they had was sticks and stones. They were a push over, just like your redskins were.

"As a soldier your used to doing whatever your told and care nothing about laws or Rights?"

Yup.


"Is that why you like not having a Bill of Rights?"

I've already told you why I'm against a Bill of Rights.

[blue]

Since proper internet etiquette hasnt reached the land down under allow me....

"What, Abo's dont shoot back?"

Good God no !!!! All they had was sticks and stones. They were a push over, just like your redskins were.

My families came here after the Great Potato famine and after WWII. Yes as a country we F#(%ed over the natives and we have continued to screw them over. If I where in charge I would not do like you and make excuses, I would stop it and allow them to make their way on their own merits.

Its nice of you to admit you opened fire on unarmed groups of Aussie citizens and are unapologetic about it.

"As a soldier your used to doing whatever your told and care nothing about laws or Rights?"

Yup.

I made an oath to execute and uphold Lawful Orders, I still hold to that oath. As soldiers go, you are making Puck look better every time you post.

"Is that why you like not having a Bill of Rights?"

I've already told you why I'm against a Bill of Rights.

Because you dont want to be held accountable for your actions as a soldier?