Arizona immigration law

[RICHARD]

All of you have to leave the U.S. before May 15th.

Everyone that is not a indige.

I am going to throw down in 3,2,1.....


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I am sure many of your have sections of immigrants that live in your hometown.

Here in SFV there are tons of people who come into the hood and wreck it.

I am not talking about JUST 'MEXICANS'.

I have seen MANY go to pot, not with just Mexican immies, but a whole host of nationalities.


North Hollywood is a Armenian fave, the Filipinos favor Panorana City, there is a huge Thai population in the fringe of Lost Angeles and you have the rest.

NOT ALL ARE meatheaded people out to ruin a great chance to live in a pretty good area of the country, but...

In recent years you pick up and read about a crime/criminal ring that was busted here and you can tell WHO the people ar by the crime.

The little Filipino punks are into car theft and gangs.
They steal imports to part out and sell.

Armenians have found a lucrative business in fleecing Medicare.
And the Armos are notorious for being heavy handed when dealing with each other. A few weeks ago one an Armo shot and killed 4 people in a restaurant.

The Koreans have opened up liquor stores in black neighborhoods and charge outrageous prices for items.

The local store changed ownership and I recently paid 1.00 for a 6 ounce box of choco milk, so much for keeping the black man down?

At around 6 p.m. every day you see the Mexican woman waiting for the buses that run along Sunset Blvd. They are traveling home after working in the Malibu/Beverly Hills/West Hollywood areas for the rich folks that live in the hills....


At the risk of offending some of you?


STOP WORRYING ABOUT HUMAN RIGHTS.

If you want to help out the poor people at risk of being deported for being here illegally? Let's get everyone here LEGALLY or begin to go thru the process of making them legal. THAT way we don't have to keep worrying about Juan Valdez sneaking his burro over the border, with good Columbian coffee.

Everyone has the RIGHT TO BE HUMAN and the responsibility to "Portarse Bien".

We have to get around the nudge, nudge, wink, wink attitude that we have toward people HERE ILLEGALLY.

Don't get me wrong.

I love my country and have had the spectacular privilege of seeing what is poverty just next door in Mexico.

Privilege?

Am I crazy?

Go find a 4-5 person family living in squalor, in a house made of cardboard and 2x4s.

Floor of mud, People peeing and crapping in a stream that serves as the bath, toilet and dump.

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I do know why people take the chance of drowning in an effing irrigation ditch or dehydrated and dying in the Southwest deserts after some AH takes their money with a promise of getting them to America with papers?

Here's a challenge?

Take a step over the line and put yourself in the shoes of those you have issue/compassion with.

Move into a one car garage for 6 months. Wash your clothes in a tub and hang them to dry on a makeshift clothesline, Go to the local agency and try to get beds for the kids because they sleep atop mats on concrete floors.

Here's a novel one?

Put an makeshift out house in the corner of the yard.

By 'allowing' people to live her illegally, we push them farther into the outskirts of what is decent and righteous for everyone.

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"Hey, I can stay here living like an animal and no one will bug me!"

There is enough compassion on the planet for everyone, I dole mine out compassionately.

I have to.

I get tired of seeing some of "my people" being allowed to live like animals, because they are not forced to abide by some simple rules.


I do appreciate the people that have taken up for them.

I also do appreciate the people who hold the opposing opinion.

Don't sell any race short, But, do not allow us to come up short by not making 'us' follow the rules.

I have the ability to straddle this topic and am able to lift up a leg and taunt either side.

If we cut people's vocal cords and peeled the skin off each other?

We'd have to deal with each other as bloody, mutes with no way to look down our noses at each other.

I like the idea, Maybe we'd be forced to look at caring for each other and really paying attention to what we mean, not what we say.



Rock on....

[caseysmom]

Well said Richard.

[Bonny]

caseysmom, Yes, humans are like pesky flies, they annoy each other to no end. It is a part of our genetic make up & so is racism. It was, is, & always will be lets face it. We are more territorial then the cats, dogs, & pets that we own. Everyone is going to get hurt at one time or another but as individuals each one of us can make a difference in someones life to make it better.

[lizbud]

WE have the answer for those who feel threatened with deportation.
It's the Gringo Mask.

http://www.aolnews.com/weird-news/ar...en-up/19467712

[RICHARD]

WE have the answer for those who feel threatened with deportation.
It's the Gringo Mask.

http://www.aolnews.com/weird-news/ar...en-up/19467712

Just by looking at the story and seeing that this novelty started in FLA by "hispanics"?

I can probably deduce that it was a bunch of Cubans sitting around looking for a laugh or two.

I have to laugh every time I see the "latino/hispanic" labels come out.

I firmly believe in the "take responsibility for yourself" rule of life and am bothered at the 'paint brush' used to cover everyone from "latin" America.

Where the eff is Latin America? Haven't seen that on a map?

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There will be the group of people who will take the 'whitey' masks and blame them all on those "dirty messicans making fun of us!!"

I really do not care who calls me what, but, I find it a bit off-putting that some factions of the community act stupidly-The Cubans are a separate set of the 'latino' community.

I will not sugar coat the fact that within the Carribean/Mexican/SouAm groups there is racism/prejudice also. There are groups that cannot live with each other because of some slights, real and percieved, that they cannot forget or move on from.


One problem?
The Mexicans enforce their southern border because they do not want any of the CentAm groups moving up into the country.

Why?

They push the poor and impoverished Mexican locals north, to escape the economic stress put on that system by people who are poorer and do not respect the areas they live in.

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Before I go off on a tangent?

I laughed at the idea of wearing a mask to hide your looks.

But, to think that a group, who has no real dog in the fight regarding this topic, putting out a idea like that, irritates me.

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Here's another story that got my goat.

Some 'white' kids were sent home from school because they wore 'stars and stripes' clothing on CdM. The admin sent them home because they thought that the clothing had the potential to start a fight between the brown and white folks.



So what is the answer from the 'latino' kids?

They ditch school and march to protest the fact that these kids were wearing American Flag clothing.

It showed disrespect to them.

Eff them.
Please, I would have rounded them up, tasered them, and frog marched them back to school.

My father, a dyed in the wool Mexican, would have rolled his eyes and given his famous line......

"The cops here should do what the cops in Mexico did to the students who marched in the 60's, fire them up with machine guns...."

My dad was a pacifist and probably saw him mad three times in my life?

But, he had no patience for A-holery against the country that he came to settle in. He did not suffer fools lightly and had NO patience for idiots.

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Mom would often tease him by asking this question, "If the U.S. and Mexico went to war, who would you fight for?"

"The winning side.........the U.S.!"


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Look,

There is a huge problem w/immigration, Some illegals really do not care about living here and being productive w/in the community, they only want to make money and send it home to the families they left behind.

Living 8-10-14 people in house with two bedrooms and a garage, isn't living.

The people here legally and the citizens of the U.S. that have issue with the laws, do have a point.

But, having everyone here legally and controlling who enters, stays and contributes is another matter.

Just the idea of having a law like the one in AZ will deter many people trying to cross into the U.S. at that point, but what does that do to CA and TX?

People will focus their efforts there.

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The Mexican media sensationalize the law-more than the U.S. media- and that is a good thing.

By and large, a great percentage of the illegal immigrants here in the U.S. are uneducated, poor and desperate.

They hear a story about the cars, homes, stores and they want to be here.

I don't blame them, I like it too.

We are not doing anyone any favors by not cracking down on the influx of people who refuse to follow the rules. We hurt them and hurt ourselves.

Rock on some more.

[momoffuzzyfaces]

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Here's another story that got my goat.

Some 'white' kids were sent home from school because they wore 'stars and stripes' clothing on CdM. The admin sent them home because they thought that the clothing had the potential to start a fight between the brown and white folks.



So what is the answer from the 'latino' kids?

They ditch school and march to protest the fact that these kids were wearing American Flag clothing.

It showed disrespect to them.

Eff them.
Please, I would have rounded them up, tasered them, and frog marched them back to school.

My father, a dyed in the wool Mexican, would have rolled his eyes and given his famous line......

"The cops here should do what the cops in Mexico did to the students who marched in the 60's, fire them up with machine guns...."

My dad was a pacifist and probably saw him mad three times in my life?

But, he had no patience for A-holery against the country that he came to settle in. He did not suffer fools lightly and had NO patience for idiots.

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Mom would often tease him by asking this question, "If the U.S. and Mexico went to war, who would you fight for?"

"The winning side.........the U.S.!"


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Look,

There is a huge problem w/immigration, Some illegals really do not care about living here and being productive w/in the community, they only want to make money and send it home to the families they left behind.

Living 8-10-14 people in house with two bedrooms and a garage, isn't living.

The people here legally and the citizens of the U.S. that have issue with the laws, do have a point.

But, having everyone here legally and controlling who enters, stays and contributes is another matter.

Just the idea of having a law like the one in AZ will deter many people trying to cross into the U.S. at that point, but what does that do to CA and TX?

People will focus their efforts there.

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The Mexican media sensationalize the law-more than the U.S. media- and that is a good thing.

By and large, a great percentage of the illegal immigrants here in the U.S. are uneducated, poor and desperate.

They hear a story about the cars, homes, stores and they want to be here.

I don't blame them, I like it too.

We are not doing anyone any favors by not cracking down on the influx of people who refuse to follow the rules. We hurt them and hurt ourselves.

Rock on some more.

The thing that got the entire stars and striped shirts started was the vice principal of the school. From what I've heard no one had a problem until he stuck his nose out and told the boys to go home or turn their shirts inside out. He is of latino descent from what I've heard and felt disrespected. After he did that, then the students thought maybe they should be offended about the shirts too and started protesting and a way we go.

[Bonny]

Richard, I looked up Mexico-US History & found a census. In the census it came up with Hispanic & Latin American of any race. They put the two together at 14.8 percent compared to 74 percent whites in the U.S. There must not be a Central America anymore?

[wombat2u2004]

Richards posts make a lot of sense, and I can see the fors and againsts about the whole situation.
But what about the Mexican Govt ??? What are they doing about the situation ???? They blocking THEIR south border against illegal immigrants and not caring about their own people entering the USA ????
And if there is so much poverty in Mexico, why isn't something done about that by Mexico itself ????

An interesting article from USAID.........
Mexico is a member of the North America Free Trade Agreement and shares a 2,000-mile border with the United States. Mexico, the 14th largest economy in the world, and second largest trading partner of the United States, had $11 billion in foreign direct investment, and received $23.9 billion in remittances in 2007. Mexico faces huge gaps between rich and poor, north and south, urban and rural. Over 40 percent of the country’s population live on less than $2 per day while close to 18 percent live on less than $1 per day.

Ok....so what do we see here ???? The rich not caring about the poor ???
I mean gee....even China sorted that one out years ago. They even made laws that governed how many children a family can have. I don't see such initiatives being implemented in Mexico.

And for those who keep pointing the "Racist" finger....forget the easy cop-outs.......discuss the PROBLEM !!!! It's illegal immigration we are discussing....not racism.

[Medusa]

And for those who keep pointing the "Racist" finger....forget the easy cop-outs.......discuss the PROBLEM !!!! It's illegal immigration we are discussing....not racism.

Thank you for that. Even though I haven't contributed to this particular discussion, this is primarily why. I've grown weary of the racism accusation.

[RICHARD]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/37074501/

Oops!

One reason I do not feel comfortable having the PD check me for my papers?

I betcha the incident report kinda forgot to say anything about that.

[caseysmom]

You don't have to go further than the articles in the doghouse to know people suck.

[wombat2u2004]

You don't have to go further than the articles in the doghouse to know people suck.

Because they believe that illegal immigrants shouldn't be in your country ???
Nawwwww....they don't suck.

[Bonny]

We are talking about exploitation here too. The United States & Canada actually exploit Mexico & the Mexican people in there own country. They have moved businesses into Mexico & hire Mexican people to work in their businesses for low wages. There is a trial going on in my area 83 counts of exploitation. Mexican children working in a packing plant, 12 hours a day, using chemicals to clean the belts.

[caseysmom]

Because they believe that illegal immigrants shouldn't be in your country ???
Nawwwww....they don't suck.

Did you even read Richard's article which I was referring to?

[cassiesmom]

This was on the news today. I think the team, coaches and parents should have been allowed to decide whether they went, instead of the administration deciding they would not go. Highland Park is affluent, and Highwood is more middle-income.
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Highland Park High School scraps team trip to Arizona

Reveling in its first conference championship in 26 years, the Highland Park High School girls varsity basketball team has been selling cookies for months to raise funds for a tournament in Arizona. But those hoop dreams were dashed when players learned they couldn't go because of that state's new crackdown on illegal immigrants.

Safety concerns partly fueled the decision, but the trip also "would not be aligned with our beliefs and values," said District 113 Assistant Superintendent Suzan Hebson. That explanation, though, smacks of political protest to parents upset by the decision.

The news, which was broken to the team Monday by coach Jolie Bechtel, comes as critics of Arizona's controversial law call on professional athletes and others to boycott the state.

Last month a New York congressman asked Major League Baseball to pull next year's All-Star Game from Phoenix, and protesters recently picketed Wrigley Field when the Arizona Diamondbacks played the Cubs.

But tossing a high school team into the heated debate has left parents and players baffled and angry.

"Why are we mixing politics and a basketball tournament?" said Michael Evans, whose daughter Lauren is a junior on the team. "It's outrageous that they're doing this under the guise of safety."

Lauren Evans said she thought the concern was probably that one of the players could get stopped and questioned.

"It shouldn't be a problem," she said. "I don't think it makes much sense. We shouldn't be a threat. We just want to play basketball."

District 113 Superintendent George Fornero declined comment, saying it "wasn't just my decision." He referred calls to Hebson.

Hebson said Arizona is off-limits because of uncertainty about how the new law will be enforced. Signed by Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer last month, it makes it a crime to be in the country illegally and requires police to check suspects for immigration paperwork.

Hebson said the turmoil is no place for students of Highland Park High School, which also draws from Highwood.

"We would want to ensure that all of our students had the opportunity to be included and be safe and be able to enjoy the experience," Hebson said of the tournament, which will be played in December. "We wouldn't necessarily be able to guarantee that."

Asked if there are undocumented players on the team, or if anyone associated with the team is in the country illegally, Hebson said she did not know.

Parents and players interviewed said they knew of no one who fits that description.

The high school's Web site boasts of a "relatively diverse" student population of 80 percent white, 15 percent Hispanic, 3 percent Asian and 2 percent African-American.

"Many of the parents feel that this should be resolved in the judicial court, not the basketball court," said Cynde Munzer, whose daughter, Lena, is a freshman on the team.

"I disagree personally with the Arizona legislation, but I also feel strongly about young women's rights," Munzer said. "They don't want to get involved in politics."

Subrina Collier, whose daughter Briana is a junior on the team, said even if someone were worried about presenting immigration papers in Arizona, it should be a personal decision to stay away. She called the administration decision a misplaced political statement.

The school district is looking for another tournament for the Giants, officials said.

The girls basketball team at Mundelein High School was in Scottsdale, Ariz., in December for the tournament hosted by Desert Mountain High School, said coach Brian Evans.

Evans called Desert Mountain High School "unbelievably hospitable" during his team's trip. Officials there declined comment about Highland Park's decision not to participate.

Meanwhile, other Chicago-area organizations continue to wrestle with their involvement in Arizona.

Local immigrants' rights activists delivered a letter Tuesday to the Chicago-based American Bar Association that urged the group to cancel a conference slated for this week in Arizona.

At Highland Park, basketball player Marguerite Biagi, a junior, said she disagrees with the law but still wants to visit Arizona.

"It's ultimately the state's decision, no matter what I think," she said. "Not playing basketball in Arizona is not going to change anything."

Cynthia Dizikes, Dan Simmons, Oscar Avila and Lisa Black contributed.

-- Jeff Long