Thanks Sandra, I'd appreciate some links...I bought this book by Kymythy (can't remember last name) on Natural Diets for dogs and cats...but no one around here knows anything about it. I wish i lived near you that woman sounds cool...the dog food sounds great...oh well...I'll find something if i can't do this diet..i requested a trial size of that Flint River Ranch stuff...but like i said i'd appreciate the links alot thanks so much, sarah and ghost