Their weight is improving but I'm going to need the vet's help to know when they are the lean side of healthy. I believe that I should be able to feel their ribs clearly? My fiance was starting to think they were fine but they definitely have a few more kilos to go!

They know that down is not always after sit, I think the problem was that the trainer was looking for a quicker straight into down rather than sit then "walk" front legs down. I think that will be all they can do and the trainer is very understanding. One student doesn't want his dog to ever be treated by hand and the trainer told the whole group so we understood and said that if anyone else felt that way, they could come to him and tell him.

Very nice guy, you can see he loves animals and seems very knowledgeable. We do an exercise where we walk up and down stairs at heel and the stairs are uneven. This is where I think they have a bit more leeway than most because downhill on unstable feet must be hard!