Has Bush lost his reason?

[Miranda_Rae]

I usually stay out of Political threads and stay away from these topic simply because they can get kind of heated and people get get easily upset and angered, and sometimes then they start saying nasty things to each other, BUT I simply wanted to state what i think, without trying to bring anyone down, or start an arguement.

First off, if I could vote this year I would be voting for Bush.

One of the reasons that i would be voting for Bush would be because he backs what I believe, and that is VERY important to me. I agree with a lot of his policies and ideas....oh sure there are things that I don't agree with but for the most part I like him and I would vote for him. And yes, he is not perfect, he is just like every other human being.

I am not trying to bash any Democrats or Kerry, just simply stating what I think.

[christa]

Originally posted by wolflady
**hugs** christa and MOFF, I was really beginning to think that I was the only republican around here!

Thanks wolflady . . . I needed that

No, you're not the only sane person on here, LOL (here comes the bashing) . . . I've tried to stay away from these boards in the past, but finally I'm fed up with the slams and lies that liberals are spreading . . . I decided to start speaking my mind too!

When I saw this thread . . . I was like, OMG, everyone on this board is buying into this!!! Guess I was wrong . . . glad to hear that I'm not the only one that thinks this article is ridiculous.

Hang in there, wolflady!

OK guster girl, you caught me! LOL Wow, two quotes . . .

I take it all back!

[aly]

Originally posted by christa
Thanks wolflady . . . I needed that

No, you're not the only sane person on here, LOL (here comes the bashing) . . . I've tried to stay away from these boards in the past, but finally I'm fed up with the slams and lies that liberals are spreading . . . I decided to start speaking my mind too!

When I saw this thread . . . I was like, OMG, everyone on this board is buying into this!!! Guess I was wrong . . . glad to hear that I'm not the only one that thinks this article is ridiculous.

Hang in there, wolflady!

OK guster girl, you caught me! LOL Wow, two quotes . . .

I take it all back!

Yikes First of all, that is a bit harsh to Kari who has remained completely neutral and was only trying to be helpful. She did state that she didn't have time to search for more so she only cited two. I don't think you need to jump down her throat.

I've made it perfectly clear all along, as have many others, that Kerry is not some perfect saint of a man. He has his flaws just as Bush does. I, and several others, stated that we did in fact vote for Bush in 2000, but now believe it is time for a change. We are voting with our morals and convictions just as you are. Why does that make us wrong and make you right?

I've heard many Bush supporters taking low jabs at Kerry's appearance just as the Kerry supporters take low blows at Bush's mannerisms. I try to stay out of that whole thing and stick to their policies and beliefs.

You just seem like you remember what you want to and twist things around a bit.

I don't mean to start an argument or anything. But you've been doing this in all of the political threads and I've been ignoring it because I HATE confrontation. But some of the things you're saying are simply NOT true

And no, we are not insane because we support Kerry. I, for one, took this article with a grain of salt. I do agree with a lot of it, but I formed my own opinions about that stuff a long time ago.

[lizzielou742]

Originally posted by aly
Yikes First of all, that is a bit harsh to Kari who has remained completely neutral and was only trying to be helpful. She did state that she didn't have time to search for more so she only cited two. I don't think you need to jump down her throat.

Right on, Aly!!!!!!!

Originally posted by aly
We are voting with our morals and convictions just as you are. Why does that make us wrong and make you right?

But, wait, don't you know - a Bush supporter's morals (aka born-again Christian morals) are the only RIGHT morals out there?

Someone asked me the other day how I could vote for a baby-killer. I asked that person how they could vote for an adult-killer. That shut them right up.

[aly]

Originally posted by lizzielou742


Someone asked me the other day how I could vote for a baby-killer. I asked that person how they could vote for an adult-killer. That shut them right up.

That is so sad but TRUE!

[K9soul]

I'm a Kerry supporter, although to be honest I wish there were more choices for candidates overall. My reasoning for my vote is my own and I don't care to get into that here, but I am far from the belief that either candidate is perfect in every way. There are things I relate to with both of them. It really saddens me to see people go at each other's throats so much and bash each other, implying the other side is naive or brainwashed or uneducated and so on. The truth is everyone perceives things in a different way, some are similar but everyone perceives things at least a bit differently somewhere along the line. I accept and respect that others have different viewpoints, and I have no less respect for a Bush supporter than I do for a fellow Kerry supporter, they just see and feel some things differently than I do.

I pretty much completely ignore the bashing statements from both sides against the other, all the mud slinging is for the purpose of belittling the other candidate, often personally, and I think it's dirty and cruel but that is how it is unfortunately.

As for this article, I take it with a grain of salt the same way I do the rest of them, from either side. Sure there is a possibility he could be suffering some early dementia, but just as much a chance he is simply stressed out. How well can I think of what I want to say when I'm really exhausted and stressed? Not very darn well I can tell you. I do think Bush is under more stress than Kerry, after all he has people accusing him of murder, questioning his presidential decisions, stating that Cheney is the real president, and so on. Every president I have seen seems to age a remarkable amount while they are in office, I can't even imagine the stress level of a such a job.

So please don't lump all Kerry supporters, or all Bush supporters, into categories of mindless zealots. There are many of us that are not strictly left or right wing, I think we just don't comment as often. I think we should be able to state our beliefs without being judgmental towards those who believe differently, but the problem is once one person feels offended, they react defensively, and then they in turn might offend, and it perpetuates into a cycle.

[momoffuzzyfaces]

Originally posted by wolflady
**hugs** christa and MOFF, I was really beginning to think that I was the only republican around here!

I agree, I don't think he's perfect, but who is? Personally, when it comes to politics...it just boils down to who is the lesser of two evils!

I agree with guster girl, it is the same on both sides, whatever party you belong to.

I always think how ironic it is that we (the general public and the government...etc) want to help other countries and want world peace, but for some reason can't get along with our oun country men...

Thanks for the hug but I'm not a Republican. I'm an Independent! I didn't like either party enough to pick one of them. I try to vote for the lesser of the two evils! I voted Democratic last election but am switching this time!

If ever a canidate runs who has honor and just sticks to the issues and what they would do to help the country and not indulge in all this name calling and finger pointing, I'd vote for them so fast their head would swim! AH, we can but dream!!!

[CathyBogart]

Meh....even as a rabid democrat, I have to say....

I think Bush is probably frayed by all the things going on and the fact that it's so close to election day and the polls are still so middle of the road as to who is going to win. Usually it's pretty clear. I do not think he is not mentally sound, I think he's just under a load of pressure.

Has anyone here ever heard Bill Gates speak? It's like listening to an enthusiastic toddler. Half the things that come out of his mouth begin with "Swell!" or "Super!" and a lot of what he says makes little sense. However....is there any doubt here that he is a brilliant man? I hope not.

Christa: I don't even know you and I've already lost any iota of respect I might have had for you thanks to your nasty tone towards Kari and your nasty comment about democrats. Most of us can do a pretty good job keeping these discussions civil, then someone like you comes in and posts something nasty and it all goes downhill.

I am voting for Kerry, but not because of any mental fragility on our current president's part, simply because of my own beliefs and feelings. (And several weeks of research)

[moosmom]

Personally, I think Bush is VERY nervous about THIS election. Why? Because everyone is paying ALOT closer attention to not only the subjects debated, but you DO remember the last election fiasco 4 years ago.

So, I think now he's really beginning to crumble under all the pressure. Bush has met his match in Kerry.

And Kerry will have MY vote.

[christa]

OK, OK . . . FIRST of all . . .

I'm sorry for hurting everyone's FEELINGS.

Something I've noticed . . . certain people can bash Bush with the best of them, but when I bash Kerry, you'd think I committed a criminal offense!

Wolfchan: Sorry you feel that way about me. I was being sarcastic with guster girl . . . chill out!

Aly: Jumping down guster girl's throat? LOL Those weren't my intentions . . . I think you're seeing what you want to see.

As for everyone else, I am only taking this tone because I am sick of struggling to defend my position. The DogHouse is largely liberal and I feel that I'm constantly being attacked.

So until November 2, I am limiting myself to these political discussions. I don't want to be one of those people that pull the boards "downhill"

[guster girl]

Even if I had only quoted ONE person saying that they knew Kerry wasn't perfect, that would be enough to prove the statement false. I was simply saying that when Kerry supporters lump all Bush supporters into one category, it's wrong. when Bush supporters lump all Kerry supporters into one category, it's wrong. And, honestly, I think everyone sees what they want to see, especially around election time. I've read almost all of the threads related to politics, and, whether or not people want to admit it, everyone is picking on eachother. It's not that Kerry supporters don't get bashed for speaking out against Bush, because they do. Just read the threads, everyone's saying hateful things to eachother. I have always avoided politics because of the ugliness it brings out in people. I am 28 and have never voted. I was really hoping that this site could give me some insight on who to vote for. But, what it's really boiling down to in here is not even Bush against Kerry, it's Bush supporters against Kerry supporters. I still think they both suck, and, I probably will end up not voting again this year. Maybe next year. I am backing out of these threads entirely, though.

[Miranda_Rae]

Originally posted by guster girl
I've read almost all of the threads related to politics, and, whether or not people want to admit it, everyone is picking on eachother. It's not that Kerry supporters don't get bashed for speaking out against Bush, because they do. Just read the threads, everyone's saying hateful things to eachother. I have always avoided politics because of the ugliness it brings out in people...... I am backing out of these threads entirely, though.

I agree that everyone is saying hateful things and thats why i stay out of these threads, but I simply wanted to state what I thought and that was all. I tried to do it in a non-judgemental way or non-confrontational way so as not to anger/annoy/upset anyone. I agree, I am backing out too!

[snappy]

Guster Girl - don't let what any of the politicals say keep you out of the voting booth! This is one thing I am a stickeler on - get out and VOTE! I have who I want to vote for - and I am keeping it to myself because that is my right. But people have died for your right to vote - so don't let those who came before you live in vain!

Please - if it gets to you here - don't read these darn things!

[guster girl]

Originally posted by snappy
Guster Girl - don't let what any of the politicals say keep you out of the voting booth! This is one thing I am a stickeler on - get out and VOTE! I have who I want to vote for - and I am keeping it to myself because that is my right. But people have died for your right to vote - so don't let those who came before you live in vain!

Please - if it gets to you here - don't read these darn things!

It's not that it's getting to me, don't sweat it. I've not lost any sleep over anything said in this chat forum since the day I joined. I thought I could learn a little by reading the threads and I was wrong, I've chalked it up as a lesson learned. And, yes, I do realize that people fought for my right to vote. But, as much as you are a stickeler for voting....I'm a stickeler for not voting if you don't know the first thing about the candidates. And, as for me, I don't, yet. I'd rather only the educated people vote. (and, I mean educated about the candidates and current events) I know MANY people that don't have a freakin' clue, that are actually going to cast a vote based on which candidate has better hair or a nicer suit, just so they can say they voted. Those people scare me way more than the people who don't vote at all. And, if I can continue to research the two candidates and become confident in one of them, I'll vote. If I had to choose right now, I wouldn't be able to.

[aly]

Originally posted by Miranda_Rae
I agree that everyone is saying hateful things and thats why i stay out of these threads, but I simply wanted to state what I thought and that was all. I tried to do it in a non-judgemental way or non-confrontational way so as not to anger/annoy/upset anyone. I agree, I am backing out too!

You did do it in a VERY non-judgemental way! I don't think anyone could be offended by your post. I hope that you won't back out entirely, but I understand why you want to