gee, how did i miss this, pcb? think this was when my pc was down....and i mean down.....my son fixed it last week! gads!!! 5000 posts.....girl, thats serious!!!! i will never get there!!!! i cant believe i will have 20% of your 5000 sometime soon! i, also, love your posts and your lovely birdies......(as you may know from cataholic, another of my daughters has birdies also!) CONGRATULATIONS!!!!!!!!!