well last time I replied to this thread was ages ago! lol I am getting a Toller when I am 18 and after I have moved, in all likleyhood I will have a borderjack at some point, possably of my own breeding. and border collies! gott have border collies! I really dont like that so many people want these red BCs though, that is exactly what is propting breeders to bred for colour, and they end up loosing any ability to be usefull, there are few real BCs that are red nearly every one of them are barbies who could not work worth cr*p. I know one person with a red and white, she is a trial dog person and her red dog is useless for working, Happys sire is a red merle, no intelligance, no ability. er no I do know one red and white that is not completly useless lol