I just have to tell you, Kay, that you are so talented with your sigs and avatars. I just got Jasc Paint Shop Pro 8 w/Animation Shop about four months ago, and I am having SO MUCH FUN with it, I just love it!!! I do a search for online tutorials and also I see what you have done, and I think, hmmmmm, how did she do that, so I just play around with it until I figure it out. Thanks for all the great ideas!!! Keep it up!