I kind of get the impression that I've affended you some way, I didn't mean to. You have made reference to "my friend" the guide dog trainer. I don't know her from adam, she is just someone I plucked out of the yellow pages for help. She had mentioned about the extended lead technique, but I think in her defence she was giving a tailored training schedule for my dog Fergus after meeting him. But we, as in the public, put our confidence in these people and pay a lot of money sometimes. She didn't show me any proof of she was a guide dog trainer, also if her technique was working I wouldn't be contacting you. I think personally, as you mentioned as well, it's a respect thing. And also as you said maybe I'm expecting too much too soon, I've just never seen a dog or had a dog this rebelient before. I'll take the training back to basics, slow it down a bit, but I'm still stumped on the attention thing, it's very frustrating. I'm trying to find a local obedience class to take him to, maybe that will help. When I get my photos developed, I'll send you a picture of the loveable rogue. Thank you again for taking the time to reply. Adrienne