ive seen both of those sites before,and i have seen lats of puppymills before and have even been to one(that is still in business). i have told my parents abut puppymills and showed them pics of them and everything.the sad thing is,they just say "ew" or "aww poor things". that it......my parents say that i belong on a farm.lol. n one else in my family has a thing for animals like do.