Do you approve?

[kevinrats]

Let me interject for a sec.

WolfChan's opinion comes in because she said that there is no good argument against gay marriage. Maybe so. But she or anybody else isn't giving a good argument for it either.

[kevinrats]

It makes me look arrogant? You kept quoting them too. You started it too. If it offends you to unbelievable ends, I will stop posting.

Once again, conflicting opinions piss everyone off. This is ridiculous.

[RICHARD]

Originally posted by kevinrats

3 He had seven hundred wives of royal birth and three hundred concubines, and his wives led him astray.

hold on a second.......This came out of the bible?
Seems kind of odd that this guy can run around with 1000 different women........


I am led astray one woman at a time.....

[Kfamr]

Originally posted by kevinrats
Let me interject for a sec.

WolfChan's opinion comes in because she said that there is no good argument against gay marriage. Maybe so. But she or anybody else isn't giving a good argument for it either.

That seems pretty heartless to me that you say that.
It's love we're talking about. Two people's emotions and feelings for eachother, yet they're looked upon badly. These two people can't own a piece of paper, can't have that word 'married' in their lives, just because some people frown upon it.


If that's not a 'good argument', please, please tell me what is.

[ILoveReptiles]

Well I don't know about anyone else, but as soon as I start seeing quoted passages from the bible in relation to allowing or not allowing personal freedoms, I just lose interest in what the person has to say and dismiss it as irrelevant.

Then again, I am not a religious person at all, so for anyone who might be offended by my lack of interest in scripture; oh well - sorry to disappoint.

I fail to see what relevance the bible has to anyone's personal liberty and civil rights. Just my $0.02.

[dukedogsmom]

Hey, let's not forget that guy from a Jerry Springer episode that wanted to marry his horse. I don't think it ever aired.

[aly]

Originally posted by Maresche
All I will say is that it is a pity that closed minds don't come with closed mouths.

Hehe, I'm going to have to remember that one!

[RICHARD]

Originally posted by kevinrats


Once again, conflicting opinions piss everyone off. This is ridiculous.

Temper, temper.......

It seems like we sail along with a pretty decent discussion for a while then we hit a pot hole.


Micki answered me with her version of who her god is. She did it eloquently and gave me the chance to see what her beliefs are.

I 'used' to be a catholic until I began to question some of the biblical accounts.....multiplying fish and loaves, Lazarus and the three wise men in a Honda (ACCORD) left me looking at the bible with a very inquisitive eye....


A few tips on arguing a sensitive issue like gay marriage...

1) Remember that religion is a personal thing, that and the fact that a Muslim, JW, Baptist may not have read or even know what is in a Bible.

2) Argue common sense first. Leave out your personal bent.
You'll get farther than the 'I throw my hands up' stage.

3) Listen to the other side and digest the words and thought.
ILR hit the nail on the head. Quoted bible verses have a detrimental effect on lucidity. Look around during a church sermon......If glazed eyes were donuts, Krispy Kreme would be out of business.

4) You do not have to accept a point of view. But you can listen to
it and know that the person that stands behind it, believes it.
It doesn't make them wrong, it doesn't make them right...

It makes them, just like you, a person with an opinion....

and you know....the world will keep spinning.

[popcornbird]

Originally posted by Kfamr
That seems pretty heartless to me that you say that.
It's love we're talking about. Two people's emotions and feelings for eachother, yet they're looked upon badly. These two people can't own a piece of paper, can't have that word 'married' in their lives, just because some people frown upon it.


If that's not a 'good argument', please, please tell me what is.

There's nothing wrong with *loving* a person of the same sex. I *love* many women myself. What we are talking about is when it is sexual. Being gay is not loving a person of the same sex. That is something we *all* do. Being gay, is committing sexual acts with a person of the same sex, and THAT is what we are against.

There is a difference between love, and love with sexual intentions. Big difference.

[RICHARD]

Originally posted by popcornbird
There's nothing wrong with *loving* a person of the same sex. I *love* many women myself. What we are talking about is when it is sexual. Being gay is not loving a person of the same sex. That is something we *all* do. Being gay, is committing sexual acts with a person of the same sex, and THAT is what we are against.

There is a difference between love, and love with sexual intentions. Big difference.

Out of curiosity.....

What or how would you deal with a brother or sister who confided in you, that they were gay?

How would your view of them change?

[aly]

You cannot pick the person who you would like to fall in love with. No one can force love.

In high school, there was a smart, nice, sweet guy who asked me out. He really would have been the perfect boyfriend. But I turned him down for a 'bad boy'. On paper, it was a black and white decision - I should have gone for the nice guy. But my heart would not listen to my head and I dated the other one.

It is no different for a gay person. In their head, they know that it would be easier to love someone of the opposite sex. They wouldn't have to face being an outcast because of who they love. But their heart tells them differently, and they can't help that.

No one can choose who they love. It doesn't work that way. And asking someone to supress their feelings is just wrong.

[Kfamr]

Originally posted by popcornbird
There's nothing wrong with *loving* a person of the same sex. I *love* many women myself. What we are talking about is when it is sexual. Being gay is not loving a person of the same sex. That is something we *all* do. Being gay, is committing sexual acts with a person of the same sex, and THAT is what we are against.

There is a difference between love, and love with sexual intentions. Big difference.

It's NOT JUST sexual. Someone doesn't fall in love with another just for sexual reasons. LOVE is not just sexual.

Ok, so many hetersexual couples get married, and have love with sexual intentions. It's a natural feeling, whether it's for the opposite sex or same sex.

And since when is someone's sexual acts anyone else's business, anyways?

[ILoveReptiles]

Originally posted by Kfamr
And since when is someone's sexual acts anyone else's business, anyways?

Kfamr - I couldn't have said it better myself. It shouldn't be anyone else's business but the couple themselves. Why people insist on making other people's sex lives their personal business is beyond me...

I've never understood it and I never will.

[CathyBogart]

Arguments for gay marriage...

Marriage (even if it was called something else) has been around LONG before Christianity or any of its subsets.

A dying person deserves to have their best beloved by their bedside.

Someone who devotes their life to loving and caring for another person should have more say than some distant relative.

There is supposed to be a SEPARATION of church and state, which in theory would keep people from imposing their beliefs on others.

If one partner is arrested, the other can be compelled to testify against them or provide evidence against them, which legally married couples are not forced to do.

In many cases, even carefully drawn wills and durable powers of attorney have proven to not be enough if a family wishes to challenge a will, overturn a custody decision, or exclude them from a funeral or deny them the right to visit a partner's grave. As survivors, the family can even sieze a real estate property that they may have been buying together for years, quickly sell it at a huge loss and stick them with the remaining debt on a property they no longer own.


http://www.bidstrup.com/marriage.htm <~very informative


Oh, and Kevin...the question what what my opinion ON CHILDREN has to do with this subject. The answer is.... *drumroll*....Absolutely nothing! Once again, the discussion was doing well until you showed up.

Oh, and I noted that you still didn't come up with any functional arguments against. :P

"None of us can choose where we will love"

[Uabassoon]

There is a difference between love, and love with sexual intentions. Big difference.

I guess I see it differently. I think there is a difference between love and being "in love". Being "in love" doesn't necessarily mean lust or sex. When people get married it's not just about having sex with that person, it's about being in love with the person.