I'm sorry I started a firestorm. I didn't mean to offend what anyone else is doing for the cats. My only point is it's too bad that there isn't a network available to foster and socialize kittens for you. If I'd been in Arizona I would have taken the litter in a heartbeat. I'm lucky in that we have a small group of people willing to open their homes, and risk getting clawed up to take time to work with little ones. I have done TNR as well, and one colony was three years of time and money(from my pocket). I removed a large number of feral kittens from there, all of which were stunted from moms having too many kittens. I thought they were 3 months old, but as they socialized quite fast, the vet visit surprised me. All were over six months old. The adults were altered and put back. Though they had feeders, it turned into a sad affair when a fox came out of the woods in broad daylight and killed one cat instantly, and seriously injured a second one. I count my blessings every time Sweet Pea (one of the former kittens) wants to be stretched, or hand fed crunchies one by one, that it wasn't her that was killed. The colony now is one sad cat with badly frostbitten ears that is impossible to catch. People discovered her styrofoam shelters under duct work, and kicked one in. I have tried to catch Olivia numerous times, but with construction going on, and huge rock caves, it's not easy. I'd let her live her life out here if she'd let me. AZ cats, you have done a comendable job, and an important one, but my only point was it's too bad the kittens couldn't have been tamed. I've had very few that were truly feral and un-touchable. It gives me great personal satisfaction to see one of my former street waifs going into a home forever. Costly yes, but priceless.