I was tought to never give up, this is why i'm so persistent. But seeing that everyone is getting so upset with me, i think sandra's right and i give up, she says something about me, that i shouldn't be angry on this board, and shes right, but i didn't mean it in a rude way, to me what liz and carrie are saying thats rude, so i will look at it your way, maybe you could try and look at it my way also, it's x-masish and noone should be fighting. So as long as ppl don't keep continueing this, i will stay away. Sandra is right and this discusssion should now be closed.

Sorry, i might not know much about training your way, but i certianly know lots about caring for pets and veterinary stuffs.


Carrie, sorry and thanks for your advise, i will try again on my next dog from the very start and maybe it will work on it.

Liz, nothing to say to you....