Originally posted by GoldenRetrLuver
That's why I said most trainers require them, at least where I am, or what I've heard.

I like the choke collar. I think it's a good training tool. But, everyone can have different opinions.
Yup, agree to disagree. I'll be going to a more positive training method with my future dogs first but I have no problem going back to this method if any of my dogs are like Kai.