Yep, I agree. I don't think they're cruel at all if you use it correctly. For jasper, I think a positive method would be better but just as a side-note, I don't find myself correcting Kai anymore either. I don't correct him if he doesn't know the command so it's always positive when he's learning it and only negative when he doesn't obey. But even when he doesn't obey, I enforce it and praise so it's really not as bad as it sounds.Originally posted by GoldenRetrLuver
I'm pretty sure all obedience classes require you to have a choke collar, at least around here. IMO they're not cruel and they DO work. I use the choke collar with Daisy when I'm training with her, and she doesn't mind it. In fact, I hardly have to correct her anymore with it. The instructor I had for Daisy, was all based on praise, and didn't believe on using food as a reward, which I liked.








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