I agree with binka on the border collie standerd, as it was made by AKC, not the parent club. the parent club did not exist untill a year AFTER the standerd was written by people whos ONLY conection with border collies were giving them ILP #s I dont agree with most standerd though, because its not for the good of the breed, its for the looks of the breed and only the looks. these things are not for the betterment of the breed, since when was breeding dogs that cant walk(german sheperd) cant see(adding about 10 inches to coat lengths) and giving them a TONE of genetic problems, and dogs that cant work if there life depended on bettering the breed?