BYB's?

[Cincy'sMom]

I don't know if this is directly related to that website or not, or if it is even true ( Ihave not researched it myself), but last night at our Therapy Dog Meeting, a friend told me the guy who makes "Charlee Bear" Treats is trying to find a Wheaton to crossbreed his Portugese Water Dog with to start his own line or breed of dog.

I would like to find out for sure if this is true, because if it is, I'm not sure I will buy his products anymore.

[Soledad]

What does BYB mean?

[Kfamr]

Backyard Breeder

[cali]

I dont know, I have nothin against breeding mixed breeds, blue ceder kennels breeds border jacks and other such dogs for flyball, and I think its a great kennle, just about every dog person on the net though considers ANYONE who would dare breed a mixed breeds is a BYB and I definatly do not agree nor does anyone in my family.

[tikeyas_mom]

I am sorry cali but that is rediculas, BYB are horrid, no matter what they should not just breed two DIFFERENT KINDS OF dogs for a demand of a certin mix, ugh !!! thats sick..

[Twisterdog]

I dont know, I have nothin against breeding mixed breeds, blue ceder kennels breeds border jacks and other such dogs for flyball, and I think its a great kennle, just about every dog person on the net though considers ANYONE who would dare breed a mixed breeds is a BYB and I definatly do not agree nor does anyone in my family.

So, have you and your family volunteered at an animal shelter, animal control or humane society lately? Apparently not, or your attitude would change pronto. Let me fill you in ... ever given litter after litter of mixed breed puppies lethal injections and put their little dead bodies in garbage bags and thrown them in the dumpster? And why? Because some idiot bred mixed breeds, when there are not enough homes for them all. Ever backed a truck up, connected a hose to the exhaust and gassed a whole room full of crying, screaming dogs to death? Animal control in my county does it every day. Why? Because some idiot bred mixed breed dogs, when there are not enoght homes for them all. I could on and on and on, I have been volunteering at animals shelters for almost two decades now. Anyone who thinks breeding mixed breeds on purpose is a swell, harmless little thing to do needs a serious reality check ... starting with the back room of your local shelter.

And ... border jacks ... PUL-leeze! Don't get me started. Border collie people AND Parson Russell people are both APPALLED by this. The only people who don't think it is an atrocity are a few manic, rabid agility people who have turned a formerly fun hobby with your dog into an obsession, and an excuse to breed hyper, manic mutts, the majority of which die in shelters because few people can handle them. Border jacks are one of the most horrid ideas the idiots breeding mixed breeds have ever come up with.

am sorry cali but that is rediculas, bYB are horrid, no matter what they should not just breed two dog for demand of the breeds being mixed. ugh !!! thats sick..

Thank you, Tikeyas Mom, that is exactly how I feel as well. Well said.

[2kitties]

BYB is bad in ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM. There is no such thing as responsible mixed breeding. It is merely money hungriness. Spend 10 minutes in the shelter of your choice and see the homeless animals put to death every day.
I can't even imagine how anyone would do this or agree with this.


Sorry if anyone's feelings are hurt. But this is something for which there is no gray area.

[Twisterdog]

BYB is bad in ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM. There is no such thing as responsible mixed breeding. It is merely money hungriness. Spend 10 minutes in the shelter of your choice and see the homeless animals put to death every day. I can't even imagine how anyone would do this or agree with this.

Excellent post, 2 kitties. I very much agree with you.

[cali]

our club happens to HAVE a border jack. ALL the BEST teams HAVE border jacks, not one person who knows what they are doing will sell a border jack to ANYONE who they do not know personaly, and its part of the contract they they MUST play flyball or agility with that dog, or give it back to the club. out clubs border jack is sweet and gentil, what breeding a border to a jack does is create a jack with an off switch. I agree that an inexperienced person should never ever own, or breed border jacks, most flyball clubs do know what they are doing, and do know just how high drive a BJ is. we will turn away anyone who we dont deem prepared for one of these dogs. they are also in extremly high demand amongst flyball people.

as for the shelter, no I have not volenteered there yet, however you have NEVER been to our shelter, with rarly ever has more then 4 dogs, who are all adopted VERY quikley, when dogs are adopted that fast around here, wich ones are going to be put to sleep? huh? they have a copasity of a LEAST a hundred, and they rarly have more then 4, they are adopted very quikly, even the rich folks get their dogs from the shelter. its extremly rare to see a stary dog wandering the street, we have no tatally fenced areas so everyone trains their dogs, we have 4 dog sport clubs in a small city, one with over 30 members. we also have at least 15 training halls other then the ones belonging to the sporting
groups etc.... get the idea?? not everywhere is as crowded as you may like to think it is. yes we do breed mixes, we also do research, my mom for example traced blairs entire family tree of genetics just to figer out his colour a LOT of people are like that around here, we dont just grab any two dogs and breed them. out club also advertises the few shelter dogs there are, and we do training for people who adopt from the shelter, so no we are not cluless.

[cali]

oh yes I forgot our club also fosters dogs from other places we pick them up on the way back from a touniment, and foster them until we can find homes for them.

[Twisterdog]

our club happens to HAVE a border jack. ALL the BEST teams HAVE border jacks, not one person who knows what they are doing will sell a border jack to ANYONE who they do not know personaly, and its part of the contract they they MUST play flyball or agility with that dog, or give it back to the club. out clubs border jack is sweet and gentil, what breeding a border to a jack does is create a jack with an off switch. I agree that an inexperienced person should never ever own, or breed border jacks, most flyball clubs do know what they are doing, and do know just how high drive a BJ is. we will turn away anyone who we dont deem prepared for one of these dogs. they are also in extremly high demand amongst flyball people

Well, that's YOUR club. If EVERY club did that, then I suppose border jacks would not be such an issue as they are now. There are obvioulsy people out there breeding border jacks who do NOT do these things, because there are a lot of these dogs that end up in shelters and pounds, a disproportionate amount. I rescue Parson Russell terriers, I see first hand how many die at animal controls. The ONLY people in the dog fancy who think it is ok to intentionally create these mutts are certain agility/flyball people. The rest think it's an atrocity. Sorry, but that's how it is.

however you have NEVER been to our shelter, with rarly ever has more then 4 dogs, who are all adopted VERY quikley,

Well, that's great ... but it's without a doubt the exception, not the rule. Do some research, and you will see the average number of dogs euthanized in this country daily. It is appalling. Just because YOUR shelter is small, doesn't mean there isn't a pet overpopulation problem in the country.

[GoldenRetrLuver]

Amen Twisterdog. I agree with you 100%.

[cali]

of you look you will see that I am not in your country, and out shelter is not that small, when I said small I was comparing it to places like saskatoon and calgary.

Well, that's YOUR club. If EVERY club did that, then I suppose border jacks would not be such an issue as they are now. There are obvioulsy people out there breeding border jacks who do NOT do these things, because there are a lot of these dogs that end up in shelters and pounds, a disproportionate amount. I rescue Parson Russell terriers, I see first hand how many die at animal controls. The ONLY people in the dog fancy who think it is ok to intentionally create these mutts are certain agility/flyball people. The rest think it's an atrocity. Sorry, but that's how it is.

no that is not OUR club I said our club had a BJ I did not say we bred them. I know hundreds of clubs and everyone one of them has these terms. yes there are BYBs breeding BJs and that is horrable and should be stopped, we do not let our BJ go to unsuspecting people. obviosly I dont agree with people who dont know what they are doing. and I know our shelter is an exeption but as I said it is most certainly NOT small, however there is not a whole darn lot I can do about dog in shelters thousands of miles away now is there? when we travel we do foster dogs as I said, we do help out other shelters, and we have ads of dogs not just in out shelter but we work with shelters where it IS a problem, and we help them out. I was just saying that you cannot assume that ALL shelters are over run with dogs, when that is simply not true. at our shelter people race to fill out the adoption forms for a particular dog first believe me we dont have a problem, that is why we help out shelters who are less fortinate.

[Kfamr]

Originally posted by GoldenRetrLuver
Amen Twisterdog. I agree with you 100%.

Ditto.

[Twisterdog]

of you look you will see that I am not in your country

I see that. However, Canada also has a problem with pet overpopulation and BYB's. Here is a link supporting this, if you would like to see the very real problems caused by BYB's, that your country is facing as well.

http://www.nopuppymillscanada.ca/back_yard_breeders.htm


And, the fact of the matter is and will always be - too many dogs, not enough homes. Everyone that breeds mixed breed dogs has some excuse and justification. We've heard them all by now. Whether it is "the miracle of birth" excuse, the "found homes fo them all" excuse, the "hypoallergenic" excuse, or the "better agility/flyball dog" excuse .... the fact remains ... too many dogs, not enough homes, dogs die. There is NO justification for intentionally breeding mixed breeds, when million die every year.

The estimated number of dogs and cats who are euthanized in shelters in the USA alone ranges from 5 million to 12 million annually. This figure, of course, does not include the millions of animals who die on the street before making it to a shelter. There is no debate about the reason these animals die – there simply are not enough homes for them - too many born, not enough homes, too many die. That is inexcusable and non-justifiable. We are supposed to be the intelligent species on the planet ... why can't we seem to comprehend that? 20 million dogs born, 10 million homes ... 10 million dogs die. Simple math. Stop breeding so many, and so many don't have to die. Duh.