I know I'm doing the right thing but I feel so sorry for the other kitty(the other one is just so headstrong and independent you never see him around) I feel guilty of taking away his brothers. Anyway please pray for these kittens. I am gonna follow your instruction and I promise not to give up on them. The only good thing is that we were able to trap some of them in 1 try! Thanks for the reply. I'll email you back for updates and I'll post their pictures soon. Now I can take their pictures without the fence blocking the view.