Originally posted by manda99
OK, those hands belong to people they trust... then what about pre-fight when they wash the other person's dog?

Please, don't call me uneducated because you have a misconstrued notion of the pit bull's temperment.


I have no more comments on this.

I could care less if someone else washed them, not all fighting dogs are that way. Period. Most are unsafe towards humans and other pets after they have been fought, that is the simple truth. Yes I am sure many could be great pets, but I do not agree with them being placed and having a chance of ending up back on the streets. It is something I feel strongly about! If you didn't read I said I am involved with pit bull rescue and help my friend Kait rescue these dogs. We may be fostering one of the bullies from SARA, a non profit organization that helps rescue pit bulls and other hard to place type dogs. I have seen several ex fighting dogs with excellent temperaments, and I have seen the tragedies as well. One that I know of is a pit who was baited with rabbits, cats, and puppies. That dog was adopted, having no problems, but once in the new owners home went after her cat, killing him instantly by breaking his neck, left her two rabbits in pieces, and then tried to go for her. This was a dog who passed all the adoption tests.

Most of these dogs were starved, therefor they have food agression as well. *I* was almost attacked but I got out of the kennel just in time, when I was going to take the bowl away, like we do after each feeding time, because the dog was food agressive. That was what we did at Crossroads, we trained mostly agressive dogs, which was my job ( I was most often the guinea pig, which was scary), but we also did socialization, potty and crate training puppies, clicker training, agility etc.

So again, I have a LOT of experience with pitbulls, even though I have never owned one myself. I have had neighbors who fought their dogs, a matter of fact there is a man a few houses down the street from my mothers in Whittier, that reguarly fights his dogs. His dogs wander the street and have already mutilated several dogs, cats, and birds. He was trained to do this. We and several other neighbors have contacted the local Humane Society but they will not do anything about it. The Downey Humane Society is one of the worst places a dog could go, and I would never wish it in the world to any dog I know. I would rather my dog be hit by a car, then end up in the Downey pound.

But then, I have also seen the sweet side of these dogs. Agressive pit bulls were few and far between while working at Crossroads, however almost all of them were dog agressive, even though they were never fought. I cannot recall how many times the pitbulls got out and fought at that place, which is one of the reasons I quit, because their kennel sucked, although they were great trainers. Some I refused to have anything to do with because they were inhumane to the pets, and some even went as far as almost killing a labrador, who they put a shock collar on.

Most responsible breeders of pitbulls even state on their website that most of the time these dogs will show agression towards other dogs.


I have worked with SEVERAL pit bulls as a trainer at Crossroads, my neighbors next door had a very beautiful sweet girl pit who was fabulous, my old roomate had a pit which I lived with for a year, and he got along great with other pets etc and people.

BUT, we are talking about fighting dogs, NOT family pets! There is a difference. I know how the pit bull terrier breed is, they are loving family dogs just like any other dog can be, and I like them a heck of a lot more than most of the other breeds out there, which is why I plan to get one in the future when Dylan is older, and we have the time and money and patience to work with one and properly raise the dog. So again, like I have repeated several times, I never said I have ANYTHING wrong with the breed! I LOVE pits, if bred responsibly and raised by a caring owner they make fabulous pets.


NOW, lets just agree to dissagree on fighting dogs, but agree that pitbulls are a wonderful breed and can make awesome pets when raised in the right home, by a caring owner, and socialized with both humans and other pets at a young age, like ALL dogs! If we must talk about this more there is a handy feature on Pet Talk, called a Private Message, PM, which came in really handy for Kayann and I.


Now with that being said, I think your dog is very cute and a real looker! And of course who could resist an Orangey!