thanks spencer and daisy....those are the groups i pulled and i emailed all those with an address...still no response from any...i did this last sat.or sun...maybe if they get more e-mails??? i will try to leave more phone messages....same with tcpalm.com...and just so you can appreciate...i spent this a.m. assisting in giving cats their shots and worming medicine...now i know where spencer "THE LION" comes from....a trip to the vet!!!!!!d&c forever are still seeing if a gsd rescue will take boomer and precious...they really are overrun....and short of funds...but if worst comes to worst...i think that they still will take...please let me know if anyone answers you....thanks again, deli dog