ktreve52 you are right...and i should know better...no he did not run any blood at all...he just did flexion tests....and the prescribed rimadyl....and prescribed tylenol over the phone...i could kick myself for being so gullable...its' like me going to the doc....you think that because they have a degree that they do the right thing....this vet graduated from the university of pennsylvania....which in my experience has a very strong vet program...i have been to their large animal facility many times...oh well...the past is the past....i will find a new vet for my deli dog!!!! thanks for all the advise,kind words and prayers