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    Your "evidence states: “DNA has even been extracted from a well-preserved skeleton of the extinct human creature known as Neanderthal, a member of the genus Homo and often considered either as a subspecies of Homo sapiens or as a separate species. Application of the molecular clock, which makes use of known rates of genetic mutation, suggests that Neanderthal's lineage diverged from that of modern Homo sapiens less than half a million years ago, which is entirely compatible with evidence from the fossil record.”

    I have this quote from a book by RALPH O. MUNCASTER it is called Creation Vs. Evolution.

    “It was once thought that the Neandertal was a man. But recent genetic DNA research indicates the chromosomes do not match those of humans. They do match those of bipedal primates (apes).”

    Your evidence also states: “ Creationism, intelligent design, and other claims of supernatural intervention in the origin of life or of species are not science because they are not testable by the methods of science.”

    Well, I have to say this about that: The scientific method is the basic set of procedures scientists use for obtaining knew knowledge about the universe in which we live. The steps include: observe, form hypothesis, design experiment, collect information, interpret data, form conclusions. Evolution isn’t based on the scientific method, because no one was there to perform the scientific method.

    Your evidence states this too: “No body of beliefs that has its origin in doctrinal material rather than scientific observation, interpretation, and experimentation should be admissible as science in any science course. Incorporating the teaching of such doctrines into a science curriculum compromises the objectives of public education.”

    I have to say this: Once again, evolution is not based on the scientific method. Shouldn’t it therefore not be “admissible as science?”

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    Originally posted by popcornbird:
    Actually, Jews were the ones who supposedly crusified Jesus, and accused his virgin mother Mary of terrible crimes she didn't commit. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

    It was this kind of thinking why so many people of the Jewish faith were slaughtered throughout history.
    I normaly stay out of religious debates but I found popcorns post a bit disturbing in today's modern society.
    Since I took Richards Pig drawing quiz, which states I like playing devil’s advocate, and I neither fear nor avoid discussions I decided to post.

    The Roman Catholic Church interpretation of Jesus Death and
    the current status of Judaism:
    The Romah Catholic Church reject the concepts that all of the Jews in Palestine circa 30 CE were responsible for the execution of Jesus.
    In general consensus among conservative Christians
    that the 1st century Romans and leaders of the Jews in Judea were responsible for Jesus execution. Many Christian liberals tend to assess blame on the Roman army alone with a few
    exception of a few fringe radical Christian groups nobody holds present day Jews responsible for Christs death.


    I am only posting the conclusions from the Professors and
    liberal theologian. To post the when, why and how they came to
    their conclusions would take me 4 plus pages or more from
    their writtings.

    L. Michael White: Professor of Classics and Director of the Religious Studies Program University of Texas at Austin.

    Conclusion: What role of the Jewish authority is in the actual arrest and execution of Jesus is difficult to say. My own feeling is that there's very little role by the Jewish authorites. Maybe the Temple leadership at most, but there's probably no direct historical evidence for an actual trial before the Sanhedrin and the Jewish leadership, and clearly the decision to execute on a capital crime was a Roman decision. Certainly it is the case that the idea of the masses of Jewish people gathered around the Temple had some voice in the death of Jesus in not part of history but a legacy of some later tradition.


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    continued from 1st post.

    Paula Fredriksen:
    William Goodwin Aurelio Professor of the Appreciation of Scripture, Boston University.

    It is unclear how he actually gets into trouble. what Jesus is doing is fairy minimal. If he had been complaining
    about the Priests, or criticizing them, or criticizing the
    way the Temple was being run, this would just be business as usual. this is one of the aspects of being a Jew in the second Temple Judaism. So it's really unclear how he would have gotten into trouble for religious reasons, which are the reasons the gospels are concerned to construct. I think we have to settle
    firmly on the historical fact that he was crusified and therefore
    killed by Rome...

    One leading theologian, John Dominic Crossan, regards the trials before the Sanhedrin and Pilate as fictional events that never happened. Much of the story is not derived from "history remembered"
    Crossan speculates that after Jesus attacked the moneychangers
    tables in the Temple, he was arrested, and routinely executed.
    There was no group of Jewish Leaders inflaming a mob of Jews,
    demanding that Barabbas be freed and that Jesus be crusified. Pilate would not have been involved, the affair would have been handled at a much lower level by a Roman army officer.
    With no acceptance of responsibiltiy by the Jewish leaders, and public in Jesus death and with the execution handled soley by the Roman army garrison, there is no logical reason why 1st century Jews in Jerusalem should be blamed for the death of Jesus.
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    I now have the answer to all questions

    Subject : Hell

    The following is an actual question given on a University of Washington chemistry mid-term exam. The answer by one student was so "profound" that the professor shared it with colleagues, via the Internet, which is, of course, why we now have the pleasure of enjoying it as well. *** Bonus Question ***
    Is Hell exothermic (gives off heat) or endothermic (absorbs Heat)?

    Most of the students wrote proofs of their beliefs using Boyle's Law, gas cools off when it expands and heats up when it is compressed) or some variant, but fell short in producing a demonstration argument. One student, however, wrote the following:

    "First, we need to know how the mass of Hell is changing in time. So we need to know the rate that souls are moving into Hell and the rate they are leaving. I think that we can safely assume that once a soul gets to Hell, it will not leave. Therefore, no souls are leaving. As for how many souls are entering Hell, lets look at the different religions that exist in the world today. Most of these religions state that if you are not a member of their religion, you will go to Hell. Since there are more than one of these religions and since people do not belong to more than one religion, we can project that all souls go to Hell. With birth and death rates as they are, we can expect the number of souls in Hell to increase exponentially.

    Now, we look at the rate of change of the volume in Hell because Boyle's Law states that in order for the temperature and pressure in Hell to stay the same, the volume of Hell has to expand proportionately as souls are added.

    This gives two possibilities:
    1. If Hell is expanding at a slower rate than the rate at which souls enter Hell, then the temperature and pressure in Hell will increase until all Hell breaks loose.

    2. If Hell is expanding at a rate faster than the increase of souls in Hell, then the temperature and pressure will drop until Hell Freezes over.

    Considering then the postulate presented to me by Teresa K. during my Freshman year: that "it will be a cold day in Hell before I sleep with you," and take into account the fact that over two years later, I still have not succeeded in having relations with her; then, #2 cannot be true, and thus I am sure that Hell is exothermic and will not freeze."

    This student received the only "A".

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    freezing hell...

    well,

    as a man, i feel for the author not hooking up with Theresa K.

    as a semi religious person i'm GLAD that Theresa K. did not sleep with the author-the thought of WHERE all the souls would go when hell froze over is mind boggling....

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    hmmm...I gave you an answer and you are ignoring it......

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    I'm unclear to whom this was directed. Me, or another. Regardless, I'm done with this thread for the time being. I am not going to convince you, and you certainly aren't going to convince me. That's the nature of beliefs. There appears, then, to be no point.

    Originally posted by lotrfreak
    hmmm...I gave you an answer and you are ignoring it......
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    Catlands essay on Hell reminded me of this:


    The following concerns a question in a physics degree exam at the University of Copenhagen:
    "Describe how to determine the height of a skyscraper with a barometer."

    One student replied:
    "You tie a long piece of string to the neck of the barometer, then lower the barometer from the roof of the skyscraper to the ground. The length of the string plus the length of the barometer will equal the height of the building."

    This highly original answer so incensed the examiner that the student was failed immediately. The student appealed on the grounds that his answer was indisputably correct, and the university appointed an independent arbiter to decide the case. The arbiter judged that the answer was indeed correct, but did not display any noticeable knowledge of physics. To resolve the problem it was decided to call the student in and allow him six minutes in which to provide a verbal answer which showed at least a minimal familiarity with the basic principles of physics.
    For five minutes the student sat in silence, forehead creased in thought. The arbiter reminded him that time was running out, to which the student replied that he had several extremely relevant answers but couldn't make up his mind which to use. On being advised to hurry up the student replied as follows:

    * "Firstly, you could take the barometer up to the roof of the skyscraper, drop it over the edge, and measure the time it takes to reach the ground. The height of the building can then be worked out from the formula H = 0.5g x t2. But bad luck on the barometer."

    * "Or if the sun is shining you could measure the height of the barometer, then set it on end and measure the length of its shadow. Then you measure the length of the skyscraper's shadow, and thereafter it is a simple matter of proportional arithmetic to work out the height of the skyscraper."

    * "But if you wanted to be highly scientific about it, you could tie a short piece of string to the barometer and swing it like a pendulum, first at ground level and then on the roof of the skyscraper. The height is worked out by the difference in the gravitational restoring force T = 2 pi sqrroot (l/g)."

    * "Or if the skyscraper has an outside emergency staircase, it would be easier to walk up it and mark off the height of the skyscraper in barometer lengths, then add them up."

    * "If you merely wanted to be boring and orthodox about it, of course, you could use the barometer to measure the air pressure on the roof of the skyscraper and on the ground, and convert the difference in millibars into feet to give the height of the building."

    * "But since we are constantly being exhorted to exercise independence of mind and apply scientific methods, undoubtedly the best way would be to knock on the janitor's door and say to him 'If you would like a nice new barometer, I will give you this one if you tell me the height of this skyscraper'."

    The student was Niels Bohr, the only Dane to win the Nobel prize for Physics.

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    Actually,

    Right.....

    Originally posted by lotrfreak
    Your "evidence states: “DNA has even been extracted from a well-preserved skeleton of the extinct human creature known as Neanderthal, a member of the genus Homo and often considered either as a subspecies of Homo sapiens or as a separate species. Application of the molecular clock, which makes use of known rates of genetic mutation, suggests that Neanderthal's lineage diverged from that of modern Homo sapiens less than half a million years ago, which is entirely compatible with evidence from the fossil record.”

    I have this quote from a book by RALPH O. MUNCASTER it is called Creation Vs. Evolution.
    Wow, a citation!

    “It was once thought that the Neandertal was a man. But recent genetic DNA research indicates the chromosomes do not match those of humans. They do match those of bipedal primates (apes).”
    What research? And how does that discount the fact that humans evolved from Neantherdal man? Scientists don't say that the Neantherdal was a man, see the quote you referred to above, merely that we share the same genetic history.

    Your evidence also states: “ Creationism, intelligent design, and other claims of supernatural intervention in the origin of life or of species are not science because they are not testable by the methods of science.”

    Well, I have to say this about that: The scientific method is the basic set of procedures scientists use for obtaining knew
    (what, this guy can't spell?) knowledge about the universe in which we live. The steps include: observe, form hypothesis, design experiment, collect information, interpret data, form conclusions. Evolution isn’t based on the scientific method, because no one was there to perform the scientific method.
    No, but YOU weren't there when God supposedly created the Earth, were you? The evolution theory is the closest thing that science has come up with to explain the Big Unknown. As much as possible, the theory has evolved from years of research in the fields of astronomy, physics, botany, zoology, geology and many more.

    Your evidence states this too: “No body of beliefs that has its origin in doctrinal material rather than scientific observation, interpretation, and experimentation should be admissible as science in any science course. Incorporating the teaching of such doctrines into a science curriculum compromises the objectives of public education.”

    I have to say this: Once again, evolution is not based on the scientific method. Shouldn’t it therefore not be “admissible as science?”
    Do you accept that Stars are massive balls of gas? Even though no scientists have ever seen a star close up or experimented on one? Or do you think that God just poked a few holes in a black curtain and put a bright light behind it?? No, as mentioned above, they are limited in our study of evolution. If scientists were to discount it as scientific theory on this basis, they would have to shrug their collective shoulders and say, "Er, we don't have any idea how it all came about."

    It is a THEORY for that reason. But it is certainly makes more sense to scientists as it is based largely on emprical evidence and reasonable logic. Creationistic theory is based on circular logic alone, a type of reasoning that does not sit well with the scientic method you mention above.

    And that, I think, is enough. Now I'm just arguing for the sake of arguing! I don't know what I believe about who created the whole Shebang, I just hate weak arguments!!

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    No, I always said my belief was based on faith. Evolutionists are the ones who said evolution was science.

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    Jonza,
    That was very interesting to read!!! Please say hello to Fister for me, give him an extra treat, and move over so he can have your whole pillow, please. He told me- telepathically, of course, that he wanted those things.
    Thanks.
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    I believe in evolution and I have PROOF!

    The proof goes by the name of Fister, and is lying on our pillows at the moment chilling out.
    When we first lured him up from his feral life in the back yard, he was a very nervous, timid little guy who didn’t dare step out of line, he was even afraid of doors!
    Now he considers himself not just to be on our level, but on an even higher plane.
    He comments on nearly everything that we do, complains loudly if things don’t go exactly as he wants them, and bullies us in bed if we don’t give him enough room. He has turned into a quite different animal. And this in only five years! Imagine what he’d be like if he’d had 5 million years!

    This is evolution in practice, staring us in the eyes every single day.

    This is irrefutable, undeniable proof of the existence of evolution.
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    first of all, who is fister, AND, how does he complain, does he bark?

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    I believe Fister is a cat. Usually when the term "feral" is used it's referring to a wild cat. Also, take a look at Jonza's signature.

    Thanks for the signature & avatar kfamr

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    duh, i am so stupid. so how does a cat prove evolution

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