"If you didn't have breeders, where would you get your AKC/CKC dogs"

just got mine a few months ago from the local Doberman rescue.

Not against all breeders, just the ones that contribute freely to the rescue programs.

Come to think of it though, I got my full blooded Doberman boy from my local Dobe rescue for at least half the cost a breeder would have charged me (tongue in cheek irony)

fernmoney, in no way am I implying that you are that type of breeder...in fact you sound like you love your dogs...we need more breeders like that and none of the other kind!