Plain and simply, if used harshly, yes they are bad,very bad. But if used gently to train a strong dog, it is better then getting hurt and dragged off. ( I would never use one ) I was thoroughly disgusted when the trainers at the dog acadamie suggested my grandmother use a choke chain on her SHIH TZU! he only weighs 9 pounds!!!!


[This message has been edited by horse_1987 (edited March 14, 2001).]