I want to say one more thing. If not used properly, the choke or what we call "correction collars" can cause harm, especially if they are left on a dog and become too small. But everyone of you who post on this site regularly know how I cherish my dogs and I would never, ever hurt them. They do not choke. I perform a correction when necessary and they no longer pull. And, we take the collars off when we are through training or walking. In fact, Honey is in agility training now, and is required to wear, not a correction chain, but a nylon collar, so she will not accidently be choked on a piece of equipment. Please understand that many folks use these collars with much success and would never be cruel to their dogs. They are like our own kids and NEVER, NEVER would we do anything to hurt them.

Sorry to go on and on, but I just wanted to reiterate my position.

Logan