wolf_q, it is too small for Timber, not too big. I think I said somewhere else in the thread (not sure?) that Leather doesn't actually use the halti, I've just used it on her before She is using a nylon choker now, I hate that too lol.

It sounds like the one you are describing is a halti outfit? I would like to try one but am not sure if my pet store carries them?

65 pounds, u think thats heavy? Max was 80 pounds between the age of 3-7 & he wasn't fat
lol, Timber has been 90 pounds since she was one!
Leather has gained quite a bit, ecspecially since she got fixed, then got cancer and then got allergies blah blah blah lol. And when my dad stopped running with her... She's 110 pounds now, probably a bit more than she's supposed to be...My fat puppy lol