Vegan Animal Food

[veegan]

"So, you are basically saying hunters now a days don't give respect to animals and they don't use every last bit of the animal? Poachers and unethical hunters don't, but ethnical hunters do. Each year hunting organizations (Ducks Unlimited, Whitetails Unlimited, etc) spend millions of dollars funding for wildlife conservation, wildlife medical treatment, etc. If it weren't for hunters, the wild turkey would be extinct- it was hunters who donated money to the National Wild Turkey Federation to fund for their comeback, which is now 4.2 million strong.

My father and I have 100% respect for all the animals we hunt. We also use just about everything from the animal. We also donate money each year to fund for wildlife conservation. Once and a while we donate our game to the local food pantry to help feed the poor.

Don't mean to make you mad/start an argument, and sorry if I read your post wrong. I just wanted to state my facts/opinions as a hunter. Thanks."

I appreciate you being as.. well not mad lol as you are considering my statement was pretty ignorant. :-/ Sorry about that. I didnt know about any of that really, thanks for replying. Im glad you donate money & food, and arent wasteful. However, I still disagree with hunting for many reasons, mostly just my personal beliefs..

[popcornbird]

Luckies4me, I agree with most of what you said.

We also know where our meat comes from. We don't buy meat from regular supermarkets and grocery stores. Our meat has to be from an animal slaughtered in a special way (similar to kosher) because of religious reasons, so such meat is not available in regular stores. We buy our meat from small special shops. Their meat comes from the farm of one of my dad's friend's friend. We have been to that farm several times and know how they do it. They treat their animals very well in their life, and when its time for them to go, they take each animal seperately (so the others cannot hear or see it) and give it water before killing it. They do not give their animals electric shocks, etc. and do not treat them inhumanely as the main meat market does. We know where our meat comes from, and we will continue to eat meat. My mother is very careful about what food is cooked in the house. We have 1 fish day, 1 chicken day, and one meat (mostly sheep or goat, sometimes beef) day in the week. The other 4 days we only eat vegetarian food. Fish is healthy, chicken has its benefits and is not bad for your health either. Red meat is eaten in very limited amounts in our household. Meat is not unhealthy and a cause for cancer/heart attacks, etc. if eaten with moderation. Overly eating anything can be bad. If animals can eat meat without being criticized, why can't we? If eating meat was so cruel and inhumane, God would've told us so in His Holy books, but the fact is, He didn't. He even told us that when Prophet Abraham was ordered to sacrifice his son as a test, and before he did it, God stopped him and sent him a ram to sacrifice instead, that indicates that eating meat is not a crime in the eyes of God. God knows far more than me or you or anyone, and I take God's word for this issue. I know people don't believe in God, but I do, and I will continue to eat meat in moderation for as long as I live. If God forbade us from eating meat, I would accept it and stick to a vegetarian diet, but we have God's permission, and I'm sticking to that. We are only keeping our end of the food chain. If you choose to not eat meat, fine. No one's stopping you. As for me, I choose to eat meat and no one can stop me either. I LOVE chicken!

Ps. You mention Jesus may have never eaten meat. According to religious scriptures and Holy books, Jesus was a shepard. Hmmm........

And yes, in many parts of the world, people drink camel milk, goat milk, buffalo milk, and others.

[luckies4me]

Well lets all agree that some of us disagree and move on lol. Vegan, you are vegan, I am a meat eater and YLL is a hunter. We all do what we feel is healthy for us in our diets and are not trying to force anything on anyone. I think we are all good people but just have different views. Like I said before, if we were all the same the world would be pretty boring!



"Yeah “oh well”. “If it tastes good I am satisfied”. Right. That’s pretty much the attitude most people have about eating meat and factory farms. Real compassionate."


Yes I am compassionate about the animals, but I am not going to walk into a restraunt and ask where the meat comes from. I am there to enjoy a good meal cooked by a chef, not get grossed out by them telling me about the slaughter house they just got my next meal from. Plus most won't tell you where it comes from anyhow. It's a good thing I don't eat out much, and when I do it's usually chicken quesadillas or pastas. I don't eat hamburgers, and I only eat steak if I can chop it up and use it for stir fry. The last time I ate beef was about a month or more ago. I haven't even had chicken or fish in a few weeks! I did have pork chops the other night, which is rare. I don't eat meat much simply for the fact that I dislike beef, pork is fatty, etc. I like chicken and fish because it is lean and healthy. I buy chicken breast and there is hardly fat on it. I only drink milk with a meal or cereal. I also drink soy milk from SILK, because it is full or potassium! I am little by little trying to only consume fish and chicken on a regular basis, but if I am invited out for a barbecue you can always count me in!

[Desert Arabian]

It's ok Veegan, I understand. It's just when I see statements like that I like to clear myself from the "mean hunter" list, lol, I guess you could say. And I like to point out the good things about hunters. Thanks for not taking that post harshly.

[veegan]

popcornbird- well I dont know really anything about any religion or anything like that, lol I just posted that quote I saw and the site because I thought it might be of interest. I understand some people believe humans were meant to eat animals, and I respect your beliefs. And I am glad that you and your family respect the animals that sacrificed their lives for you.

"Well lets all agree that some of us disagree and move on lol. Vegan, you are vegan, I am a meat eater and YLL is a hunter. We all do what we feel is healthy for us in our diets and are not trying to force anything on anyone. I think we are all good people but just have different views. Like I said before, if we were all the same the world would be pretty boring!"

amen to that one sistah. haha Im so done with this thread. lol its exhausting.. :P

[marysmerrycats]

i feed my cats meat. I believe it is each persons choice to do that or not, and I don't think people should get mad at others just because they don't have the same opinion. same with the war or any other topic!

[luckies4me]

Originally posted by veegan


amen to that one sistah. haha Im so done with this thread. lol its exhausting.. :P

It's funny because I was going to cook steak tonight, in stir fry and now I feel guilty that I want to cook it lol. It's really weird when you can put a face to what you eat!


Perhaps I will make pasta tonight instead. I have some great zucchini and tomatoe basil pasta waiting to be cooked!

[Soledad]

I actually have a lot of respect for hunters. At least they are concious of what they're doing. It's far easier to just pick up your meat nice and packaged in styrofoam than it is to have to go out, kill it, skin it, and freeze it. To me it's just a lot more honest.

But I am totally incapable of doing it myself.

[luckies4me]

Originally posted by Soledad
I actually have a lot of respect for hunters. At least they are concious of what they're doing. It's far easier to just pick up your meat nice and packaged in styrofoam than it is to have to go out, kill it, skin it, and freeze it. To me it's just a lot more honest.

WOW I totally agree with you there!

[Soledad]

WOW I totally agree with you there!

Don't sound so surprised! Lol...

[veegan]

"It's funny because I was going to cook steak tonight, in stir fry and now I feel guilty that I want to cook it lol. It's really weird when you can put a face to what you eat!

Perhaps I will make pasta tonight instead. I have some great zucchini and tomatoe basil pasta waiting to be cooked!"

lol yeah it is. and that sounds dang good. i really ought to start cooking a lot more often! im so lazy :/

"I actually have a lot of respect for hunters. At least they are concious of what they're doing. It's far easier to just pick up your meat nice and packaged in styrofoam than it is to have to go out, kill it, skin it, and freeze it. To me it's just a lot more honest."

Yeah it is. That is, the hunters that do it that way. Even though I cant stand Ted Nuggent (haha Im sorry if I spelled his name wrong :O) at least he knows how crappy the quality of meat is in America, and uses all of the animals he hunts. (Hes a big hunter if any of you didnt know). There are some hunters who dont give a s*** about animals and think its fun to kill them, etc. And just like the spectacle of having brought down a huge elk or whatever. That kind of mentality aggravates me. As does the stupid like, farms that have animals there for people to hunt, canned hunts, etc. Its like okay what is the freakin point?? I mean the animal already has a pretty crappy disavantage seeing as you have a GUN, but I mean I know that doesnt exactly make it easy, but then putting an animal in a cage practically.. Its like what a joke! The animal has no chance. Am I right? Isnt that how those farms work? Lame.

[RubyMutt]

Originally posted by Soledad
I actually have a lot of respect for hunters. At least they are concious of what they're doing. It's far easier to just pick up your meat nice and packaged in styrofoam than it is to have to go out, kill it, skin it, and freeze it. To me it's just a lot more honest.

But I am totally incapable of doing it myself.

Yes, I agree. I used to be very anti-hunters, but then I met my manager, who is an avid hunter, and he opened my eyes a little. It's much more than just a sport to him, he doesn't waste anything... He's also a member of Ducks Unlimited and has told me a lot about what they do. I, myself, could still never kill an animal, but I definitely am not so prejudged about hunters anymore.

My manager also has the most gorgeous German Shorthair Pointer named Bree that goes hunting with him. She is such a cutie! She comes in to work with him sometimes, I love her to death!!

[Desert Arabian]

Shorthair's are beautiful dogs!! My dad's friend has a female (name draws a blank) GSP, and the training it recieved is unbelievable ! My jaw dropped when I watched this dog perform...that's the best part about hunting...

[veegan]

i know I love GSPs. so beautiful. and I can imagine! I LOVE watching dogs work. so amazing

[wolf_Q]

Originally posted by veegan


Yeah it is. That is, the hunters that do it that way. Even though I cant stand Ted Nuggent (haha Im sorry if I spelled his name wrong :O) at least he knows how crappy the quality of meat is in America, and uses all of the animals he hunts. (Hes a big hunter if any of you didnt know). There are some hunters who dont give a s*** about animals and think its fun to kill them, etc. And just like the spectacle of having brought down a huge elk or whatever. That kind of mentality aggravates me. As does the stupid like, farms that have animals there for people to hunt, canned hunts, etc. Its like okay what is the freakin point?? I mean the animal already has a pretty crappy disavantage seeing as you have a GUN, but I mean I know that doesnt exactly make it easy, but then putting an animal in a cage practically.. Its like what a joke! The animal has no chance. Am I right? Isnt that how those farms work? Lame.

I've seen all types of hunters. My family hunts, they always have. Just deer and elk. Most of the time they don't even get an animal, but if we do, we eat ALL of it. I could never kill an animal myself of course.

And then there's my friends family who hunts. Her 4 brothers and her dad are very avid hunters. Every year between all of them I bet they get at least 3 deer and elk...if not more. Not to mention the many trophy hunts they do (off the top of my head there's 2 bison, 2-5 moose, mountain goat, coyote, cougar, fox, raccoons, etc. etc. etc.) The also hunt birds like wild turkey and go fishing constantly...rabbit hunting "for fun" too I'm sure. They bring home the meat, but I have NEVER seen them eat ANY of it. Their house is plastered with taxidermy. It's awful. Oh, and then there's the 2 "hunting dogs," Bear and Trusty (RB) who lived their lives in a small pen treated like crap. Her dad does NOT respect the animals he kills...at all...it's just for show.

And I've seen one of those Trophy Elk farms....filled entirely with bull elk with huge antlers...it was so sad...we stopped to see them and they all came running...they were friendly and tame.

I guess my point is....I don't see why it's worse to eat a deer then a cow.....but it's the way you hunt. Quite frankly, I've met a lot of hunters, and the majority of them were idiots with a gun...scarey. YLL, I know you and your dad don't fit in that catagory.

I should shut up now.....Veegan, I must commend you for having so much PATIENCE!! I still don't agree with a vegan diet for pets, but I have to commend you for being so conscience about your diet and the world around you.

Just one more question...isn't it pretty expensive to be on a vegan diet?

p.s. and GSPs *are* beautiful...I love Ladybird!!