thank you phred...great info....i know that you are a firefighter....my heart goes out to the victims and their families of those brave firefighters and police officers we lost at the wtc...as you watch the photos of all the people running out of the building...your brothers were running in!!! the bravery!!!! i am not undermining the civillian victims...as i pray for them also...i just admire and respect the courage of the firefighters and policemen on the scene...they are so underpaid for their jobs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! the deli dog!!!!!