barking problems

[GoldenRetrLuver]

JR, i agree with you, spraying water on dogs, esspecially in their face, is wrong, u said that when u pick the bottle up, the dogs stop barking, well, in my opinion that must mean u sprayed them quite alot in order for them to be scared like that! When my collie barks, i tell her a firm NO, and yes, i might spray her wth a little bit of water, but certainly not enough to make hr scared of it!, and esspecialy not on ther face! people r not trying to gangup on u, we r just speaking what we think!

[Byakko's Mom]

As far as using water I don't but I have taken different classes where it was a method taught for dogs with a problem and worked well for some.I did rescue a dog once who was terriefied of water and it would have made him cower and I have a rescue now who would just play in it so we can't judge on a specific experience all are different and in some instances it may help.It sure beats hitting.I also wish that we could use constructive and educational criticism as we are all here to learn and share our experiences not to beat each other up.I for one, love my furbabies with all my heart and soul and I spend much of my time reading/ researching and going to different puppy training classes.I like positive training techniques and for some of my dogs I use treats some.I know many are opposed to that too.I think different dogs require different methods and that is what I do.I use what works best for the dog and trainer.

[wolfsoul]

to save your own ass.

We are saving my dog! If my stepmom gets the ultimadem of having to move out, or getting rid of Leather, either way she won't be able to keep her. So you are telling me that you would rather see my dog dead. She has nowhere else to go. My stepmom takes really good care of her. If Leather goes to the Spca, no one would want her, and she would be put down. So the minute you tell me that killing a dog is a good thing, I will believe that the only method that keeps her from barking is a bad one.
We didn't constantly use that method, it only need to be reinforced a few times before she understood what the water bottle meant.
My other dog is afraid of vacuums, would you like me to stop vacuuming? My point is, as long as it's not hurting her or causing severe psychological trauma, she is perfectly fine. She's alive. She's happy. It's better being alive and happy and having to look at a water bottle once in a while than to suddenly have to change environments and get killed.

I agree with Byakko's mom, that different dogs need different training, and we should all be open to others opinions and methods, and there will always be some that we are opposed to.

[GoldenRetrLuver]

y would nobody want the dog?????, u dont know that! there r many caring people that adopt dogs people think "will b put to sleep!" so, your already sayin u have to this and that otherwise your dog will b killed!

[wolfsoul]

Because most people in Kelowna are worthless when it comes to adopting animals that are old or sick or aggressive. Leather is almost ten years old, she has malignant cancer, a high chance of getting more tumors, needs medication for her boredom disorder/compulsive biting disorder, she needs to have her special $50 dog food that copes with her allergies and weight, she has a bad leg so she limps quite bit (I've been working with it, it's getting better !!!) She doesn't get along with other dogs (unless they are the dogs she's grown up with) she bites people, she was recently abused by children in the home that I used to call mine and so now she's less tolerant of them and has bitten them, she barks which can be a problem to some, she knows how to open door handles, she can open cupboards, she eats from the garbage can and scatters garbage throughout the house, she needs atleast a seven foot high fence, she needs a fridge with a lock otherwise she will open it and help herself litterally to everything, she only listens to commands from myself or my stepmom, and I think that about rounds it up. She's only got a couple more years left, maybe less since she has cancer, I want her to be happy in the home that she loves and carries the people that she loves in it. She's my baby, and if my stepmom ever had to give her up because if her barking habit, I would just die. And so would she. But we don't have to worry about that if we have the water bottle. That is my whole point. It saves her more than anything. Some here my call showing a dog a water bottle abuse, I call it showing her love in a way she wouldn't comprehend.

[GoldenRetrLuver]

It saves her more than anything.

How does it save her??, a firm NO could do the exact same thing!, also, its good you care about her, but i think the spraying water IN THE FACE has got to stop, also, maybe try obidiance class???, i worked wonders for my collie!, and she was a nuisance barker too!

[wolfsoul]

I already said, I don't spray her! It was done when she was a puppy, and the idea stuck. I haven't sprayed her since I was a kid! We only show her the bottle when she is barking. We say no, and like I said, it usually works, but when she's having one of those off-days where she decides she doesn't want to listen, we just pick up the bottle and she quits. It's healthier than smacking her, and I atleast made my stepmom get rid of that ridiculous muzzle, so everyone should be happy!

Obedience classes are majorly expensive. If my stepmom can't afford another house, or afford to keep Leather if she gets kicked out, how is she supposed to pay for obedience? I like the method we use. It doesn't hurt my dog, it doesn't make her yelp or cry, it's inexpensive, and it works! We rarely need to enforce it, it's only a just-incase sort of a thing. And it works when she doesn't listen to our voices, or can't hear because she's barking too loud. As long as we are using it, we don't have to worry about her having to be given up. I've had enough of that for one lifetime, and I've barely had any at all.

[GoldenRetrLuver]

i think she is scared of the water bottle, u said she stops when u pick it up, that means, u must have sprayed her an awful lot when she was a puppy, and now shes scared of it

[tikeyas_mom]

I sprey my dog in the face when she screams. it is soo loud and annoying. She does it when she sees another dog, cat or whatever. I dont thin it is bad. it controlls the barking doesnt it?

[GoldenRetrLuver]

how would u like to sprayed in the face, while u were talking?, its just a dogs nature!, it may be annoying, but y not just a firm NO?

[tikeyas_mom]

how would u like o sprayed in the face, while u wre talking?, its just a dogs nature!, it may be annoying, but y not just a firm NO?

Because some dogs dont stop when you say a simple firm "NO". some dogs need some kind of painless punishment, that makes them stop. When Tikeya sees a dog being walked on the street or wonder into our yard, she freaks out. She whines soo loud she sounds like she is being beaten. *We have gotten calls from the pound because ppl would complaining that they herd a dog in distress.* That isnt something we want them to think. Tikeya is just very verble, shes a husky, lol. But there is a kind of whine or bark we dont mind with her. a nice awoo woo bark is ok, not a high pitch screaming bark that sound like a dieing donkey.

[GoldenRetrLuver]

ok, i c, thanx for explaining!

[GoldenRetrLuver]

but, i still believe spraying in the face is a big no no!, the dog could get hurt!

[tikeyas_mom]

Explain how it hurts the dog though? I dont understand how the dog can get hurt. I sprey mine with luk warm water. it is perfectly safe, I also sprey with Cheeko, Spankys, and Spring mist spreyer, not a hose. So whats the big deal ??? .

[GoldenRetrLuver]

what if it gets in there eyes?, y cant u spray it on their back?? they would still feel it, and u would get the same reaction!