As far as using water I don't but I have taken different classes where it was a method taught for dogs with a problem and worked well for some.I did rescue a dog once who was terriefied of water and it would have made him cower and I have a rescue now who would just play in it so we can't judge on a specific experience all are different and in some instances it may help.It sure beats hitting.I also wish that we could use constructive and educational criticism as we are all here to learn and share our experiences not to beat each other up.I for one, love my furbabies with all my heart and soul and I spend much of my time reading/ researching and going to different puppy training classes.I like positive training techniques and for some of my dogs I use treats some.I know many are opposed to that too.I think different dogs require different methods and that is what I do.I use what works best for the dog and trainer.