Thanks you for your help, I have been reading about the vegetables I need to go back and make a list of what they can have, do you put them in something specail or how do I give it to them. I don't mean to sound stupid here I just want to make sure I do what I am supposed to. I do have the cuttlebone in there and they don't seem to touch that at all either. I'll keep trying with the treats. I didn't know about the vitamin bars.