Thanks Bengalz, krazyaboutkatzk, Bonny, ramanth and AdoreMyDogs for all the kind words about Gull. I got some doggie therapy yesterday. Spent the afternoon at a friend's, who has 2 Goldens and a Chi Mix. I threw the ball, until my arm was sore. I had to make'em take a break, for my arm's sake. lol Retrievers amaze me. Oz and Gull would have been good to fetch for about 5-10 mins, tops.