Well I've been very lucky in that my male cats are used to being around other cats. They also have fairly mellow personalities. If I had several alpha males in the group then things would never work out. You may be dealing with two alpha male cats so this is why you're still having problems. Also yours aren't the same age. Most of mine are very close in age so they have the same playful energy level which helps a lot. Sky does get tired of hanging out with them and then he wants to go back in my room for his quiet time. I feel that it's very important to have a space or a room where the older cats can go to get away from their younger brothers or sisters. I do still have some hissing or spats from time to time but it's nothing major. Now put my females in with the males and it's a whole different story. Fighting, hissing, growling always happens.Ziggy will growl or hiss if one of her younger brothers even looks at her from across the room.
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