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    Quote Originally Posted by Karen View Post
    It does, if you read it, it states that the ASPCA paid a lot of money to the former handler to make up the charges.

    The ex-trainer was paid for his testamony, the same is done in many criminal cases. He wasn't paid to make up charges. He was paid for his
    time and expenses to be available for court hearings. It is done all the time.

    The B & B Circus Group has been, and are now, guilty of animal cruelty every day of the week. Why don't you find & post the many trials where B & B have
    been found quilty & had to pay heavy fines for just this very thing. Treating animals like disposible commodities.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lizbud View Post
    The ex-trainer was paid for his testamony, the same is done in many criminal cases. He wasn't paid to make up charges. He was paid for his
    time and expenses to be available for court hearings. It is done all the time.

    He was paid $190,000 "just for his time"?????

    Must be one heck of an hourly rate. Experts are paid for their testimony (docs, forensics experts, etc), witnesses normally aren't. A paid witness is going to make their testimony fit the angle of whoever is signing the paycheck.

    Quote Originally Posted by lizbud View Post
    The B & B Circus Group has been, and are now, guilty of animal cruelty every day of the week. Why don't you find & post the many trials where B & B have
    been found quilty & had to pay heavy fines for just this very thing. Treating animals like disposible commodities.
    As opposed to ALF and ELF (who have both financial and personnel ties to PETA and HSUS) who treat Humans as disposable commodities?

    Sorry, I'm not buying what you're selling on everyday animal abuse at B+B. Animal performers need to be healthy to perform. "abuse" needs to be defined, and what would be abuse for one species isn't abuse for another. I can pick up a cat by the scruff and it's normal for the cat. Try doing the same with a large dog and it's abuse. If you hit a horse with the same force you whack a pup on the nose to get the pup's attention the horse won't even notice. If you hit a dog with the same force that you'd hit a horse to get the horse to move into a stall it's abuse.

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    One of my radio show hosts/friends - I am often a guest on her show - is a Florida veterinarian, who has treated circus animals, and is very familiar with the B & B facility down there. She described it to me as excellent, and said the animals are well-treated there. On the show today, she had a guest who described the facilities, which she confirmed.

    This is a woman who routinely has done surgery on tigers and lions, as well as treating ordinary household pets. She has no qualms about calling out abusers, and has no patience with them. So when she tells me the animals there are well loved and cared for, and not abused, I believe her.
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