Gun control discussion

[Edwina's Secretary]

There are many versions of "no trespassing" signs, and if the sign is clear, that carrying a weapon on your property will be considered unlawful trespassing, there's not much someone can do about it if you call the police and report them and bar them from your property.

But that is not the point. Someone can come in your home - such as a repairperson and you do not know if they have a concealed weapon or not. The person is not trespassing. Do I have to post a "gun-free zone" on the front door? Isn't it a bit unfair that the repairperson does not have to announce they have a gun but I have to announce I do not want guns in my house? So much for that "my home is my castle" thing! Perhaps require people with concealed weapons to wear a special patch?

Where did that stat come from? I find it difficult to believe, particularly as I have purchased firearms and know what one needs to do to legally acquire them.

An interview on the radio this morning with the director of the Brady Center to Prevent Gun Violence.

Kids who want to smoke smoke. it's a fact of life. If you can't even keep cigs out of the hands of kids, how effective is law enforcement going to be at another ban? Kids get booze, marijuana, ecstasy, ad nauseum, and they're all illegal already.

If that is the attitude - why have any laws? Let's throw all the laws out - because some people are going to break the law anyway! And then there is that was not my point. My point was about laws regarding WHERE you can smoke.

[Lady's Human]

My point is simple:

We as a society can regulate effectively, but bans have always been completely and totally ineffective.

There's a long history in the US of rum running, drug smuggling, and other dodges, and there are too many intelligent people who see a buck to be made if they can avoid John Law. Heck, we even smuggle 3L per flush toilets, and there's nothing customs has been able to do to stop it.

As a society we're extremely skilled about getting around bans and prohibitions of all sorts, a gun ban would just be one more avenue to make money.

[RICHARD]

'Glory to God in the highest and on earth peace, goodwill toward men”-Luke 2: 14

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I'd settle for one of the three, guess which one...........

[Catty1]

An interesting viewpoint (on which I have no opinion):

http://newcity.com/2012/12/19/dime-s...ar-of-the-gun/

[Edwina's Secretary]

My point is simple:

We as a society can regulate effectively, but bans have always been completely and totally ineffective.

There's a long history in the US of rum running, drug smuggling, and other dodges, and there are too many intelligent people who see a buck to be made if they can avoid John Law. Heck, we even smuggle 3L per flush toilets, and there's nothing customs has been able to do to stop it.

As a society we're extremely skilled about getting around bans and prohibitions of all sorts, a gun ban would just be one more avenue to make money.

Last time I check there have been no mass murders with toilets.

Fine - if regulate is better than legislate - let get cracking and make some REAL regulations about guns. I am more afraid of the Rambo wannabee who thinks he or she can outshot the bad guys, the person who is so afraid of things they must have a pistol on them at all times, or the person who owns a gun but keeps it where it can be easily used by a child, a deranged adult, or stolen.

[RICHARD]

"W-w-w-w-w-wh-h-h-h-h-h-h-y-y-y-y-y-y-y me-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e--e-e-e?"

- Nancy Kerrigan.

[Lady's Human]

Last time I check there have been no mass murders with toilets.

Fine - if regulate is better than legislate - let get cracking and make some REAL regulations about guns. I am more afraid of the Rambo wannabee who thinks he or she can outshot the bad guys, the person who is so afraid of things they must have a pistol on them at all times, or the person who owns a gun but keeps it where it can be easily used by a child, a deranged adult, or stolen.

I think the person whose fear is running their life is you. You certainly seem to spend an inordinate amount of time railing against objects that are less likely to harm you than a car or a doctor.

[lizbud]

I think the person whose fear is running their life is you. You certainly seem to spend an inordinate amount of time railing against objects that are less likely to harm you than a car or a doctor.

Sounds like a snarky comment, minus any real value.

[Edwina's Secretary]

Sounds like a snarky comment, minus any real value.

Well of course it is snarky.

But I also find it terribly funny. A person who is so afraid of other people...so very afraid he needs to have guns around for protection to suggest someone else is afraid!! (Although it might be lions and tigers and bears he is so afraid of I suppose.)

Now would that be ironic as well as funny? Or just hypocritical?

I wonder how many times I have said it is not the gun - the inanimate object - I fear - it is the person who is so afraid of the world around they need a gun. Is is ten, 20? Why look! In the very post he quotes I said it!

Tiresome to hear the same - totally inaccurate - snark isn't it?

[blue]

I am far more fearful of other drivers then I am of other gun owners. I have been tboned twice while driving, both times the other driver at fault. I have also been shot at twice, once within less then a foot of my head.

Most of my neighbors fire into their back yards and it doesnt bother me, the hills make good backdrops. Ive lived here 10 years and it happens every day or so.

ETA to point out the obvious: Post 443 is complete and total snark.

[blue]

Perhaps require people with concealed weapons to wear a special patch?

Like a Gold Star or a Pink Triangle?

An interview on the radio this morning with the director of the Brady Center to Prevent Gun Violence.

An unbiased group if there ever where one.

My point was about laws regarding WHERE you can smoke.

You can make me smoke outside, why wouldnt I leave my fire arm locked in my car if you didnt want it in your house?

Have you ever lived where nature can enter your yard? Coyotes, moose, or bears? Wolves maybe?

If I remember right you have visited AK. Would you visit again knowing any resident could be carrying a concealed firearm without a license?

You are also aware that full auto firearms are still legal in California?

So let's see. It's logic. Trees need trimming....the garden needs tilling...power sometimes goes out....people need shooting?

Sorry...as Spock would say..."Captain...that is not logical!"

Spock has shot people, and aliens, with a phazor and killed them, so sometimes its logical.

[cassiesmom]

Perhaps require people with concealed weapons to wear a special patch?

Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I think it was the NRA executive vice-president who spoke about starting a national registry of people with mental illnesses. Would that include anybody who has ever taken an antidepressant or an anti-anxiety med? Heck, I've been a citizen of the Prozac Nation- do I need a special patch? H'll probably want a national registry of introverts next. We're quiet, thoughtful and some people consider us a little odd. All characteristics of the perpetrators of these tragic shootings. Maybe I need a patch for that too.

Seriously ... yes, there are things in my life that I regret, and things I would love to do over. But I'm not about to go out and start shooting people. I am trying to do a better job at not dwelling so much on past things, but to use it as a way to live differently in the future. I'm grateful for encouragement (and the occasional, virtual smack on the back of the head) from my PT Friends!