Politics and religion.

[Edwina's Secretary]

I voted last week. Like most people I know here in CA - I voted by mail. Did not have to show an ID. Like all states I did have to show ID when I registered.

Now...if you think of the HUGE (not) problem of voter fraud....it is in mail-in or absentee voting. Who knows who is REALLY voting when soldiers overseas send in their ballot? It could be anyone!

Who knows when my elder mother sends in her ballot...was it really she who completed it? Who knows if I completed my ballot...it could have been my neighbor, my husband or an illegal alien.

The problems some people (including me) have with voter id are:

- There is not a problem with voter fraud so why fix something that isn't broken? The statistics show such a low to non-existent incident rate!

- It does nothing for the voting that offers the best opportunity for fraud - mail-in/absentee ballots

- It is a blatant attempt to surpress voting (see Pennsylvania politician who crowed on tape that now they had passed strict voter id they could deliver the state for Romney)

- It is like using an elephant gun to shoot a gnat. Of all the problems these politicians could be taking care of...is this non-problem really all that urgent?

[momoffuzzyfaces]

Well, to me making sure the people who elect the ones who will control our country are who they say they are makes more sense than not having a photo id. We need them to cash checks, open bank accounts, get beer and such. I'd think knowing for sure who was picking the ones who run our country is just as important. But maybe that's just me.

[RICHARD]

Well, to me making sure the people who elect the ones who will control our country are who they say they are makes more sense than not having a photo id. We need them to cash checks, open bank accounts, get beer and such. I'd think knowing for sure who was picking the ones who run our country is just as important. But maybe that's just me.

That line of thinking was called 'voter suppression' because not all people have a gov't. issued ID.

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I have to laugh because people have lived for years without an ID and all of a sudden they are crying foul because you have to show one to vote?

lovely.

[Lady's Human]

That line of thinking was called 'voter suppression' because not all people have a gov't. issued ID.

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I have to laugh because people have lived for years without an ID and all of a sudden they are crying foul because you have to show one to vote?

lovely.

I love the arguments about voter ID. They drive me insane for one reason: It is eminently possible to go through life in the US with not "acceptable" form of ID, and without a birth certificate.

Want to have fun? Retire without a birth certificate. The gentleman I'm thinking of had multiple forms of ID, military, state, etc.......but went through hell trying to retire because Social Security didn't have his birth cert.

Maybe the birthers could have helped him find it?

(BTW, the person was a foundling in upstate NY, hence no Birth Cert. and a SS number issued when he joined the military)

[Edwina's Secretary]

Want to have fun? Retire without a birth certificate. The gentleman I'm thinking of had multiple forms of ID, military, state, etc.......but went through hell trying to retire because Social Security didn't have his birth cert.

Maybe the birthers could have helped him find it?

Sounds like a job for Donald Trump!

[momoffuzzyfaces]

Well, they could switch to fingerprints. When people register, they just give a fingerpint and when they go vote they could match finger prints. They could even put a place on mail in ballots for the person's fingerpint. No finger print, toss the ballot. In the sad casses where the individual has no fingers they could use a toe print. That way no one has to buy anything or is supressed. Just thinking of options.

[Edwina's Secretary]

Well, they could switch to fingerprints. When people register, they just give a fingerpint and when they go vote they could match finger prints. They could even put a place on mail in ballots for the person's fingerpint. No finger print, toss the ballot. In the sad casses where the individual has no fingers they could use a toe print. That way no one has to buy anything or is supressed. Just thinking of options.

So I put my fingerprint on the envelope- still does not mean I am the one who checked the boxes!

But it still comes back to ......why?

There is not a problem with voter fraud.

Just another intrusion of the government! Apparently some people are comfortable with more government rules!

[RICHARD]

I love the arguments about voter ID. They drive me insane for one reason: It is eminently possible to go through life in the US with not "acceptable" form of ID, and without a birth certificate.

Want to have fun? Retire without a birth certificate. The gentleman I'm thinking of had multiple forms of ID, military, state, etc.......but went through hell trying to retire because Social Security didn't have his birth cert.

Maybe the birthers could have helped him find it?

(BTW, the person was a foundling in upstate NY, hence no Birth Cert. and a SS number issued when he joined the military)

A friend of mine, wink wink, had to contact the SS department and was sent some paperwork with a 'typo' on it. They put the mom's maiden name in place of the last name.

When contacted about the error, They were told that in the 'permanent' record that is the way it was recorded in the system.

So, This person probably could register twice and vote twice.......

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Didn't bother me to pull out my DL and flash it to vote. It saved me some time and the hassle of spelling out my name and having the poll person waste time looking.......

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Bill Clinton really understands women.

There is a joke there, but I'll pass......

[Edwina's Secretary]

Well, to me making sure the people who elect the ones who will control our country are who they say they are makes more sense than not having a photo id. We need them to cash checks, open bank accounts, get beer and such. I'd think knowing for sure who was picking the ones who run our country is just as important. But maybe that's just me.

In this country there has long been resistance to a national id. This resistance has been strongest among conservatives who see it as a step closer to a police state. But now - when there is a chance that requiring it to vote might knock out people they don't want to vote....they are whistling a different tune.

Voting is a constitutional right - unlike cashing a check or buying beer. This country has never required people to show a government issued id to vote.

When I vote absentee I must sign the envelope. This signature is matched against the signature on my voter's registration. The same is done at polling places.

It was good enough 50 years ago....should be good enough today.

[RICHARD]

I hope we win in the war on women.

but I still don't understand why men "do not understand what women go thru as far as health/reproductive issues go",
but we vote men in because "they understand what women go thru as far as health and reproductive issues go".

I think we are going to have to settle for a tie.....No matter what happens, we are going to have to live with women.

What's next, the war on girls?