"Whenever" and "Seen"

[phesina]

"Its" is possessive of it, just like "his" and "her/hers" are possessives of he and she. No apostrophes.

[pomtzu]

"Its" is possessive of it, just like "his" and "her/hers" are possessives of he and she. No apostrophes.

No wonder they say that English is a very difficult language to learn. There are so many exceptions to the rule. I admire a lot of the folks on this forum whose (or is it who's?? ) native language is NOT English, but speak it so well - better than some who were raised with only English.

As long as I know the point someone is trying to get across, then I'm certainly not going to police their verbage, since I am far from being grammatically correct at all times.

[Willow Oak]

I'd druther hear someone say, "I seen," that's seen somethin', than to say, "I have seen," that ain't seen anythin'!

A "flounder" is a fish; "founder" is what happens when a ship runs aground.

[pomtzu]

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A "flounder" is a fish; "founder" is what happens when a ship runs aground.[/QUOTE]

But that ship has to sink below the surface of the water to "founder". If it's above and tossing about against rocks or a reef, wouldn't it be "floundering"?

[pomtzu]

My big pet peeve is "waiting on" and "waiting for". I summed it up back in post #52. That still drives me nuts.

[Willow Oak]

But that ship has to sink below the surface of the water to "founder". If it's above and tossing about against rocks or a reef, wouldn't it be "floundering"?

Language is evolving. That is what drives some of us "mad." When I was in school I was castigated if I spelled "buses" as "busses." Now, the latter spelling appears in dictionaries and has been approved as acceptable. The word "ain't" has become part of many dictionaries. I believe that the word "flounder" was inadvertently used instead of "founder" when someone was lost and trying to find his way (tossed about). Now the dictionaries approve the misuse of the word.

Most of the European languages evolved from Greek and Latin. Latin was the language spoke in ancient Rome, hence the "romance" languages.

Am I preaching to the choir here?

[Karen]

I'd druther hear someone say, "I seen," that's seen somethin', than to say, "I have seen," that ain't seen anythin'!

A "flounder" is a fish; "founder" is what happens when a ship runs aground.

But "I saw," or "I have seen" is correct! "I seen" is not.

[Willow Oak]

But "I saw," or "I have seen" is correct! "I seen" is not.

"I saw" is not correct, if you did not see. Likewise, "I have seen" is not correct if you did not see.

Furthermore, it is grammatically incorrect to begin with a conjunction, such as the word "but."

Still furthermore, it is grammatically incorrect to separate two words or two phrases with a comma when they are separated by the conjunction "or," as in "'I saw,' or 'I have seen.'"

Worse still is correcting the moderator of a forum.

[pomtzu]

"I saw" is not correct, if you did not see. Likewise, "I have seen" is not correct if you did not see.

But (incorrect ) if I really have seen it, or I really did see it, then "I saw it" is correct - not "I seen it". Those hyphens I use all the time are incorrect also. Correct?

Feel free Dan - I'm not a moderator!

[Karen]

"I saw" is not correct, if you did not see. Likewise, "I have seen" is not correct if you did not see.

Furthermore, it is grammatically incorrect to begin with a conjunction, such as the word "but."

Still furthermore, it is grammatically incorrect to separate two words or two phrases with a comma when they are separated by the conjunction "or," as in "'I saw,' or 'I have seen.'"

Worse still is correcting the moderator of a forum.

It is not incorrect in the course of a conversation to begin a sentence with a connection, although it is poor form in written literature.

It is correct to say "I saw" as in "I saw the squirrel." It is also correct to say "I have seen squirrels." I only put that comma in that sentence as I was typing it and edited it to put the "or" in and therefore should have deleted the comma. I was in error in that particular instance.

[Willow Oak]

It is not incorrect in the course of a conversation to begin a sentence with a connection, although it is poor form in written literature.

It is correct to say "I saw" as in "I saw the squirrel." It is also correct to say "I have seen squirrels." I only put that common in that sentence as I was typing it and edited it to put the "or" in and therefore should have deleted the comma. I was in error in that particular instance.

You are totally correct (as if you need my stamp of approval). However, I think that it is okay to "break" the rules of grammar in the instance of written literature if one is doing so for emphasis or to be poetic. I do it all the time.

For instance, the sentence, "I do it all the time," is grammatically incorrect. Can you tell me why?