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  1. #1
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    Varga, that's another thing that reallyyyy bothers me about CM. People act like he's some kind of ground-breaking genius for telling people to exercise their dogs and set boundaries. Isn't that COMMON SENSE? Dogs need exercise and walks to be happy. I knew that when I was 3 years old. Dogs need boundaries, they need to be taught they can't bolt out of doors or eat the food off of your plate. Again, who doesn't realize this? In a world where science is making ground-breaking discoveries, where we can train Orcas to do complex behaviors using only clickers and fish, where real pioneers like Karen Pryor and Leslie McDevitt are coming up with amazingly easy ways to change the way our dogs think like Look At That and Behavior Adjustment Training, HOW does anyone believe in a man who uses brutal caveman methods to scare dogs into a shut down state (which he calls "calm submissive")? And the sad part is, people use these brutal techniques on their perfectly sweet dogs who just need to be taught manners, not "red zone" cases. A member of this forum's Mom, a long time ago, was using CM's techniques and her dog bit her, which resulted in his death. How sad that a dog died because of a fictional, highly edited TV show.

    Dogtown is amazing. They truly change the way dogs think and feel, using scientifically proven, positive methods: conditioning, desensitizing, and positive reinforcement. They don't just suppress aggressive behaviors with fear and pain, that doesn't change anything, it only manages the aggression that is still there. If a dog isn't suitable for a home, Dogtown lets them live there for life. They are so admirable and responsible in helping dogs. I would love to work there. Of course Dogtown hasn't enjoyed the fame that CM has, because they don't push dogs into attacking them, they don't have dramatic music and set up dogs for failure so that Cesar can beat them up... it's not as exciting & entertaining, because it's real and methodical and based on peaceful behavior modification. People want ACTION and instant results.

    Alysser, the second video I posted was the Jonbee case!!! I just don't understand why those people wouldn't allow a feral dog to live a happy life in their backyard? Why force him to come inside? They could've tried slowly desensitizing him, but instead they dragged him inside and terrorized that poor dog. The lady looks so mortified by what Cesar is doing to her dog, I would BEAT THE $#!& out of anyone who tried doing that to my dogs.

    I've heard that from Cesar and other people about harnesses too. There have been many recent studies linking harsh collar corrections, chokers, prongs and shock collars to CANCER, hypothyroidism, whiplash, allergies, ear and eye issues, along with many other ailments. If you think about it, jerking around a dog and letting them self correct is damaging their spine, thyroid, neck and throat. Damage to this area can cause an array of health issues, which people would never make the connection with collar corrections. I walk my dogs on a comfortable, thick slip lead & on a harness on walks. Fozzie actually never pulls with his step-in harness on, even as a puppy. It's so funny.



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    LOL You would THINK that was common sense!! Honestly, he is far from a ground breaking genius. I just wish people would see that. Common sense was it comes to dogs seems to be a rare trait these days. I read his first book, which I don't recall the name of right now and while I was reading it I guess I wasn't paying much attention the first time. I didn't actually MIND his methods, never used 'em but didn't mind them. A year later I read it again and was horrified. I started watching the show and just stopped after a few. It really is upsetting to watch, I really don't understand how those people sit through this idiot doing those things to their dogs.

    Oh, was it that case? I tried the link and it said something about being blocked for me. I probably just need to log in but I'll try and watch it later. I just remember watching that and becoming very frustrated with the whole thing.

    One thing I really don't like about him is the language he uses. It seems to me like he is trying to trick people into thinking he came up with this whole new "dominance theory" even though it's as old as the hills. He comes up with new names for everything and just makes NO sense half the time. It just irks me that he called Jonbee, the wild beast. I am sure he refers to other dogs like that.

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