I'll have to ask her if she tried everything mentioned. I know she's tried a lot of things. She says the salves and lot feel good for an hour or so but then stop working because of their ingredients--- she also sells a high-end cosmetics line and is all about ingredients. She says the bulk of the ingredients of things she's tried just sit ON the skin and do not soak in. I guess I believe her, but I also know there's not much need to go too far in because the skin is only so thick. (shrugs)

She's been talking about changing doctors.