phoenix's health. help/advice please?

[Karen]

You can touch her now, just do so when her momma cat is there, so she knows you are not a threat, and so Phoenix gets used to being touched. Try petting momma, too, if that helps, because that will help mom relax, too, hopefully.

[kittycats_delight]

Don't worry. It is not likely mum would reject them from being touched by a person (scent) she knows.

I delivered the last kittens I have here. Their mum was tossed out very young as she gave birth at around 8 months old. She didn't have a clue. When the first kitten started to 'exit' the body she went nuts, growling, trying to tear it out with her teeth, trying to run from it. I had to force her down onto a blanket and I was literally like a midwife with her. When the kitten was pushed out she didn't know what to do. I had to break the sac & cut the cord then place the baby with mum so she could clean him & he could feed. I did this 3 more times so all her kittens were handled from the second they were born and she never ever rejected any of them.

It is really only within the first days or even week mum is so inclined to be extra protective. Start handling now. What Karen said is good advice. Stroke Phoenix while mum is there and even include her in the petting session. Frequent petting sessions are great. If you are nervous still carry out your petting sessions while she is still snug with mum or on her blankie. You can start in a week or so, once you see mum & Phoenix & of course you are more comfortable, to pick her up for cuddles.

[Phoenix]

I have never been afraid to touch Phoenix but my sister is and don't like her much. She said she is possessed, which clearly isn't true.

It's funny because when the mum leaves Phoenix by herself and I walk up to her Princess just looks over at me to see what I'm doing before turning away. Usually it depends on phoenix if she hisses or not.

If my sister goes to phoenix and princess isn't there then princess runs over to her and sits on her. If princess is already with phoenix then she puts her arm over phoenix as if to protect her.

When they were all born princess was agitated and my sister refused to go near her and said it all made her feel sick (she's 4 years older than me). Princess kept getting up and doing circles in my nieces art box (my sister wasn't home when it started so princess jumped into a creative art box and delivered 2 kittens there) I got princess to jump out the box into a new nesting box that was safe and carried the 2nd kitten into the box (the first was dead).

I had to keep princess still and Phoenix being the last to be born got stuck but Princess delt with it and cleaned them all.

Oh can I ask.... Why do kittens scream when they are picked up by humans?
Princess never picked any of her litters up as it seems she does not know how. My sister caught Princess with her mouth around Phoenix's head and apparently princess was hearting her (I don't know if that's true) but what was happening?

[kittycats_delight]

She was mostly likely just trying to move her. Some cats don't have the 'know how' to do what is needed. I had a cat years ago that was an amazing mum overall but she too couldn't figure out how to pick up the kittens and every time she tried they would squeal because she just couldn't get them right.

We are different from mum cat...we smell different & feel different & handle the kittens differently so, the kittens feel things are 'not right' strange, so then tend to cry out to let us and mum know something isn't right & they are uncomfortable or scared about it.

If Princess had an issue with you being with her baby she would not walk away from her when you went near. She would do just as she does with your sister. Princess can sense your sister doesn't like the kitten or is nervous around her and therefore has the instinct to protect her baby. She feels no threat from you so she is comfortable leaving you with her baby cause she feels her baby will be safe with you.

[Phoenix]

My sister told me that the other day she come home and phoenix was by her chair (the other side of the room) she got across the room but couldn't get back so my sister put her back. Since then my sister has stroked her every day.

I got to my sisters a few hours ago and Phoenix is looking well. Her weight has yet again doubled and she is looking very healthy. I sat beside her box and she attempted climbing out. It was a bit too tall for her so she got to the top and put her head over the edge. She even got up on all four legs and walked without trouble for a few steps before she layed down.

It is so amazing when you watch them develop before your eyes. She is only 15 days old but is growing soo fast.

Again though princess did just look like she was chewing on phoenix's head/neck. Phoenix didn't make a sound but I know she wasn't trying to move her because she was just about to feed her. When she moves phoenix when they are both laying down she uses her paws to sweep her along.

They are both doing well though and I know in a few days Phoenix will be up and walking like a pro.