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    Please see the documentary Food Inc. It makes you see what we consume on a different level. The cruelty factor is huge but if you are going to consume meat, you should consume organically, ethically raised meats. They aren't feed the hormones and chemicals factory farmed animals are. Supporting factory farming only promotes the continued abuse. Also read Food Matters by Mark Bittman. Enlightening.

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    I like to think about it in terms of "harm reduction." I have been a vegetarian for 15 years. I know that what I am doing personally may not actually mean less production of meat, but I am personally trying to reduce harm. I guess the examples you gave above would be about reducing harm. Even if the animal ultimately dies, I think it's less cruel to allow the animal to live a somewhat natural life before that happens.

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    I have to admit that I am a meat eater, and I enjoy my steaks and pork chops and chicken, and I do not plan to give them up. I do not go by the meat counters in the stores, and think back to the origins of those packages of meat. However, I have seen videos of how these creatures are raised and slaughtered, and it is indeed horrific. I am 100% in support of more humane conditions in regard to how they are raised and slaughtered. There is no need for the cruelty that most of these animals are forced endure.
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    Thanks for sharing your thoughts here... And yes, I tend to agree that if you still eat meat, the meat from organically raised animals is the better choice, as it's healthier, and of a better quality.

    But as far as I'm concerned, I have stopped eating meat almost 20 years ago. I don't want an animal to be killed because of me. However, I'm still buying meat in the form of cat food, and sometimes I'm feeling bad about it, but I have to admit I'm selfish here: I love cats too much to live without them.

    Lately, I'm even tending to go vegan (no eggs, no dairy products), even though I don't think I'll be able to do that 100%.

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    You make a good point about which animal will welcome death more. But the cow in the poor conditions shouldn't be there in the first place. Eat meat from those conditions and you're just putting another cow in its place.

    PS, I lol at how I see chicken labeled as 100% vegetarian (corn) fed. As if that's a good thing! Many consumers fall for it but not me. Chickens aren't vegetarians, they eat little bugs and seeds and whatever they pick off the ground.
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    Just a question out of curiosity for those that don't eat meat because of your opposition to an animal being killed for you to consume.

    What about leather made from the hides of these animals? Do you not have any shoes, handbags, belts, jackets, gloves, etc made of leather? I once had a co-worker who would not eat meat because an animal had to be killed in order for her to do so, yet she thought nothing of sporting fancy leather handbags and shoes.
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    I don't know that the mass production of meat is any more economical than farm raised animals. We throw so much of it away because it is just not good.

    I've thinking about going organic and using an independent butcher because it just makes more sense.

    As far as the meat and killing of animals. We are omnivores. It is possible to get protein from none meat sources, but every source has its pros and cons.

    And the carnivores help keep the herbivores in check.
    I think the question we need to ask ourselves is, "Are we respecting that animals life by using the whole animal?" "Or is it needless killing, just waste?"
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