thanks for the ideas. yes a yard sale is a good idea.I will take them to the vet one way or another, that's for sure. good to know I can try a vet school.
yes I have considered, and tried , to brush their teeth but I kind of wanted to keep my hands, and didn't want to end up looking like the face of freddy krugar or something like that!

sasvermont--what brand of food is that you use?

freedom--yes I have a fat cat too so I know just whatyou mean about the grooming! and yes-aspirate-thats the word!thank you.

Im in phoenix so it's pretty big. the vet I go to has 3 or 4 vets, but I like them. I may have to look around tho, yes I think I have to and will check out their website for deals.

all good ideas. thanks tons to all.