Today, I experienced something horrible.

[Gepansy]

Since Miz Sophie bun-buns isn't there, u r an Eeyore fan.....u don't have a furbaby to hug but u do have a stuffed Eeyore. I have to ask.......U said that u saw one (or more) being killed, how were they killing them? How many people were there?

[Cinder & Smoke]

Hey lil Sis ~ I'm not so sure that reliving and describing what she saw is going to help Tonya to put this awful incident out of her mind. Best thing we can all do now is to reassure her that this situation CAN be changed so that it is never repeated; and encourage her to work towards that goal.

And "I" don't really want to hear the details - Tonya already told us enough to get her point across. Now that we're all upset about it; let's start working to change things!

Here's a {{Hug}} if that will help, Zippy.

[wolflady]

**hugs** Tonya! What a traumatic experience. The whole thing seems sketch to me, and I agree that you should definitely take this issue up to with someone at the school. I never understood why animals had to be tortured during slaughter, and it's quite disturbing. Any more images or stories like that and I would be tempted to become vegitarian! I already refuse to eat veal because of the way it's 'made'. Anyway, **hugs** to you. I'm so sorry you had to witness that! Please let us know what happens if you talk to someone at the university, but I really don't think that should have been so easily witnessed like that.

[Sudilar]

How horribly sad. In the past, I tried to become a vegetarian myself. Sorry to say it didn't work. I was raised on meat and I guess I'm used to it. However, after reading this, I think I will try again to give up eating meat or at least cut down.

[zippy-kat]

Thanks guys for all your support. I just finished up my last week of skewl--one week of finals and then it's a nice long break!

Unfortunately, that means I may not get any answers on the 'pig case' until next semester either. I've decided to go ahead and 'investigate' but I'm not going to be able to do it for a few days. It's still pretty fresh in my mind. In addition b/c it's (same as) finals week, the 'big wigs' may not have time to deal with us 'peons.'

Another thing that I have against me is that the school is an Agricultural school. Which generally means they see animals as a means of production not as living creatures that can suffer pain. I can understand that this is how people make their living and, as I stated before, I'm not a vegetarian--I just don't understand why they didn't do it somewhere else or at some other time...

I dunno...maybe it's just the end of the semester stress that's gettin' to me.

[ December 07, 2001: Message edited by: zippy-kat ]

[zippy-kat]

Originally posted by zippy-kat:
<STRONG>Another thing that I have against me is that the school is an Agricultural school. Which generally means they see animals as a means of production not as living creatures that can suffer pain </STRONG>

That was a very stereotypical and generalized statement. I apologize. I understand that it is a way of life but I also understand there are more humane methods than what I witnessed...

[shais_mom]

I wasn't going to comment on this subject even tho, my heart goes out to you Tonya.
I grew up in a small rural farming community and tho I never saw an animal slaughtered, I raised sheep for fair projects,and they went to market. Call me what you will, but the only thing I regret about the whole experience which I did from the time I was 8 until 18, was that I didn't take more responsibilty with them.
Anyway, I wanted to kinda make up for the horror of this story with a magical moment of my own if you will.
Tonight I was having a very rough night at work, I got yelled at by a tempermental ER doctor, and it went downhill from there. So I was steering clear of him all night long, well then he got to teasing me whether it was b/c he knew he was hard on me or what WHO KNOWS! Anyway, I was finishing up a patient and the DR. comes into my room and says "Staci, come here for a minute." I am thinking "OH BOY! NOW WHAT!?" He says,"just for a minute, gotta be quiet" We went out to the back porch, (he was smokin') and there were 7 deer in the clearing behind the hospital!!!! It was so beautiful to see!! Right in the middle of hunting season, and here these deer knew they were close enough to town that they would be safe!! I was very glad he shared that with me!! It made my night better!!

[zippy-kat]

Staci-

I'm not condemning the fact that animals are being slaughtered for food. But there's a right way and a wrong way to do so, isn't there? I hope that everyone understands that I have nothing against farmers or ranchers and their livelihood, provided their slaughter and treatment of animals is done in a proper manner. Like I've stated before I'm not a vegetarian, I do eat (some) meat. My dad's family use to raise hogs and Black Angus cattle. Mom's family raised hogs as well. So I (sort of) come from a "meat and potatoes" bkgrd myself.

I tried to do the FFA thing but Dad wouldn't let me raise a goat/pig/etc--he knew what would happen and we lived in the city so there was no way we could keep it! Instead I judged Quarter Horses. (He wouldn't let me take/keep any of those either...lol Still won't! lol )

Staci, I'm glad you shared the 'deer' moment, no pun intended. One time at my grandfather's house, I got about five feet away from an albino deer. He was REALLY neat looking--and didn't seem to be nervous at all. I have a picture of him somewhere.... Snow white body, a pinky nose--his antlers weren't very big--it was umm...what's the word for antler season? lol rut? My mind just went blank...*blonde moment*

[ December 07, 2001: Message edited by: zippy-kat ]

[AdoreMyDogs]

Tonya, first of all, I am sorry for taking so long to respond. I have been busy at work and have not had time to check my favorite website

I am really sorry that you had to experience that traumatic screaming. That must have been horrible. No animal deserves a cruel death like that. I think, if the majority of people eat animals without a second thought, we owe it to the animals to at least honor them (and appreciate them for providing food) by giving them a quick, painless death. At the very least they should have made sure no onlookers could hear the horrible cries coming from those poor creatures.

Stories like that are what made me stop eating meat altogether nearly 8 years ago.

[yorkster]

Yeah, Madonna has taken up hunting now, so she can do just exactily that. That is what she SAYS anyway.....whatever.
And that accent does seem to come and go a bit, huh?

[shais_mom]

Oh Tonya, I know you aren't against farmers etc I didn't think that at all.
I totally think that what you experienced is absolutely horrid. And I think you should investigate it.
What they did was very wrong. I can't imagine their reasoning behind it at all. There is no excuse.
I hope over time you can heal and cope with this.
Hugs to you!

[beagleluv5]

Oh that's horrible, horrible, horrible! I am not a vegetarion, but if I heard the cries of a poor little pig, I think my mind would change. I know how you feel, as I saw a squirell killed once. It was awful to see! Feel better soon, and find a pet or someone to hug!

[zippy-kat]

Thanks guys...I was out at the equation center again today but there weren't any pigs around. Don't know if they all received the same fate, if they moved them somewhere else, or what.

I have yet to find someone to talk to (re: Agricultural ppl who were suppose to be in chargeof the pigs.

[shais_mom]

This is too weird that this was bumped to the top again.
Tonight I was on my way to my car after work, and there were 4-5 deer out feeding again!

[Iditarodfan]

ZIPPY CAT, THAT IS TOO HORRIBLE. REMINDS ME OF "SILENCE OF THE LAMBS" WHEN CLARICE COULD NOT FORGET THE SCREAMING OF THE LAMBS.
I AGREE WITH SO MANY REPLIES. IF WE KNEW OR THOUGHT ABOUT HOW THE ANIMALS WERE KEPT, LET ALONE SLAUGHTERED FOR OUR CONSUMPTION, EVERY TIME WE ATE MEAT....WILL WE WOULDN'T EAT MEAT! SURE HOPE YOU CAN FIND OUT THE TRUTH AT THE UNIVERSITY. SOUNDS SUSPICIOUS.